It probably should be legal. The only reason it isn't legal is because of the things associated with it (drugs, crime...and the act itself is a crime, so...). Legalization won't eliminate those other evils, but I would expect a gradual shift and then separation as with the prohibition of alcohol.
Now then, think of a world where prostition is legal...the term "incel" is useless. Since it's used in a sense of mocking derision toward a group of people who probably haven't done anything to deserve it except lose the genetic lottery, I think it's a net positive for everyone.
Incels didn't lose the genetic lottery. They have consistently made life choices that don't make them attractive. And then on top of that they have unrealistic expectations. Then they blame others for being single.
Again you can look at all the countries that have legalized it to see roughly what will happen.
And yet, as a few pointed out, legalizing marijuana increased black market trading, because it caused increased overall demand.
That's not what the Politico/Oregon article seems to say.
From the Article: "Economist Beau Whitney estimates that 80-85 percent of the state’s demand is met by the legal market. But most of the illicit weed grown in southern Oregon is leaving the state, heading to places where legal weed is still not available for purchase such as New York or Pennsylvania — or where the legal price is still very high, like Chicago and Los Angeles."
The black market is not thriving because weed has been legalized everywhere. It is thriving because there is demand in places where it remains illegal or overly taxed/regulated.
Thus evaporateth your argument.
Okay, let's assume the issue here is over-regulation. Isn't the regulation exactly what legalization advocates want? Marijuana advocates want regulation to ensure their product is safe and standardized. Sex work advocates want regulation to make it safe and prevent trafficking. These regulations make the product more expensive, while the increase demand is supplied by the black market.
Countries with legal prostitution have more human trafficking than those where prostitution is illegal. Legalizing prostitution increases demand, and there are not enough women in this country willing to have sex with you regardless of how much money you might be willing to pay for the service. Legalizing prostitution would create a bigger problem than exists with it illegal. Cartels would love it if prostitution were to be legalized as you desire.
Nearly all the demand for sex from prostitutes comes from men. Very few of the world's women seek out sex from prostitutes.
Some people who work as prostitutes are males. But the vast majority of prostituted and sex-trafficked people on planet earth are female.
Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty. Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates. The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men, including men who are their family members and clients, and many suffer from PTSD and brain damage due to repeated head injuries.
The vast majority of prostituted girls and women worldwide want out of the sex industry.
So let's be clear: the question OP raised is not, "should prostitution be federally legalized and made a constitutional right?" the way he phrased it.
The question OP raised is, "should the federal government make it legal and a constitutional right for men in the US to use money to gain access to the bodies of unfortunate, exploited women and girls - and to a far lesser extent, the bodies of boys and men - so that men who can afford it can obtain their own sexual pleasure whenever and however they want with no concern about how their behavior impacts the human beings they exploit and society at large?"
Tellingly, very few of the guys who support the idea that men in the US should be granted a constitutional right to obtain paid access to the bodies of other people, particularly women and girls, for their own sexual gratification whenever men want seem to have any interest in working as prostitutes at the beck and call of male punters and under the control of pimps, procurers, brothel owners and criminal syndicates themselves. Funny that.
That's not what the Politico/Oregon article seems to say.
From the Article: "Economist Beau Whitney estimates that 80-85 percent of the state’s demand is met by the legal market. But most of the illicit weed grown in southern Oregon is leaving the state, heading to places where legal weed is still not available for purchase such as New York or Pennsylvania — or where the legal price is still very high, like Chicago and Los Angeles."
The black market is not thriving because weed has been legalized everywhere. It is thriving because there is demand in places where it remains illegal or overly taxed/regulated.
Thus evaporateth your argument.
Okay, let's assume the issue here is over-regulation. Isn't the regulation exactly what legalization advocates want? Marijuana advocates want regulation to ensure their product is safe and standardized. Sex work advocates want regulation to make it safe and prevent trafficking. These regulations make the product more expensive, while the increase demand is supplied by the black market.
Countries with legal prostitution have more human trafficking than those where prostitution is illegal. Legalizing prostitution increases demand, and there are not enough women in this country willing to have sex with you regardless of how much money you might be willing to pay for the service. Legalizing prostitution would create a bigger problem than exists with it illegal. Cartels would love it if prostitution were to be legalized as you desire.
Nearly all the demand for sex from prostitutes comes from men. Very few of the world's women seek out sex from prostitutes.
Some people who work as prostitutes are males. But the vast majority of prostituted and sex-trafficked people on planet earth are female.
Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty. Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates. The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men, including men who are their family members and clients, and many suffer from PTSD and brain damage due to repeated head injuries.
The vast majority of prostituted girls and women worldwide want out of the sex industry.
So let's be clear: the question OP raised is not, "should prostitution be federally legalized and made a constitutional right?" the way he phrased it.
The question OP raised is, "should the federal government make it legal and a constitutional right for men in the US to use money to gain access to the bodies of unfortunate, exploited women and girls - and to a far lesser extent, the bodies of boys and men - so that men who can afford it can obtain their own sexual pleasure whenever and however they want with no concern about how their behavior impacts the human beings they exploit and society at large?"
Tellingly, very few of the guys who support the idea that men in the US should be granted a constitutional right to obtain paid access to the bodies of other people, particularly women and girls, for their own sexual gratification whenever men want seem to have any interest in working as prostitutes at the beck and call of male punters and under the control of pimps, procurers, brothel owners and criminal syndicates themselves. Funny that.
The logic failures within your post are so egregious and so numerous one does not even know where to start.
Unbelievably poor post - even if one agrees with the view that prostitution should be illegal - just a terrible, absurd, ridiculous post.
The logic failures within your post are so egregious and so numerous one does not even know where to start.
Unbelievably poor post - even if one agrees with the view that prostitution should be illegal - just a terrible, absurd, ridiculous post.
Numerous logic failures and yet you cannot identify a single one to be disputed. Most of what he has written is a truth that you do not feel comfortable with.
Only if they are in it against their will. A willing prostitute is nobl fun, they have to k ow non compliance comes with punishment and have some desperation in their eyes.
How does it make you feel that prostitutes hate themselves and have mental health issues and addiction problems? Do you think any woman growing up wants to be a prostitute who services incels? Any sane woman would throw herself off a bridge faced with that scenario.
Why do you think they hate themselves? Prostitutes are normal people, they have families, kids, some have bfs, some are married.
I don't think anyone dreams of labor. Do you?
It seems like you have some issues to work on. Good luck.
Incels didn't lose the genetic lottery. They have consistently made life choices that don't make them attractive. And then on top of that they have unrealistic expectations. Then they blame others for being single.
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No, we (incels) lost the genetic lottery.
I hate to break it to you, but it's all about looks. That's what makes a man an incel or not.
If we could choose every men would look like Robert Pattinson.
And if you disagree with me, I hope you have a son that looks exactly like me.
The logic failures within your post are so egregious and so numerous one does not even know where to start.
Unbelievably poor post - even if one agrees with the view that prostitution should be illegal - just a terrible, absurd, ridiculous post.
Numerous logic failures and yet you cannot identify a single one to be disputed. Most of what he has written is a truth that you do not feel comfortable with.
Wow, going for a world record in the stup!dity category? Are you having a hard time with the concept of not even knowing where to start.
Incels didn't lose the genetic lottery. They have consistently made life choices that don't make them attractive. And then on top of that they have unrealistic expectations. Then they blame others for being single.
Again you can look at all the countries that have legalized it to see roughly what will happen.
The question was prostitution, not incels. Everybody deserves compassion...even gmyou, who took the least important part of my post and used it to explain your opinion as if it were fact.
And I said legalized prostitution was a tradeoff. Look at the drug war and all the problems it has not solved for reference. Or don't. I can't make you.
Countries with legal prostitution have more human trafficking than those where prostitution is illegal. Legalizing prostitution increases demand, and there are not enough women in this country willing to have sex with you regardless of how much money you might be willing to pay for the service. Legalizing prostitution would create a bigger problem than exists with it illegal. Cartels would love it if prostitution were to be legalized as you desire.
Nearly all the demand for sex from prostitutes comes from men. Very few of the world's women seek out sex from prostitutes.
Some people who work as prostitutes are males. But the vast majority of prostituted and sex-trafficked people on planet earth are female.
Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty. Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates. The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men, including men who are their family members and clients, and many suffer from PTSD and brain damage due to repeated head injuries.
The vast majority of prostituted girls and women worldwide want out of the sex industry.
So let's be clear: the question OP raised is not, "should prostitution be federally legalized and made a constitutional right?" the way he phrased it.
The question OP raised is, "should the federal government make it legal and a constitutional right for men in the US to use money to gain access to the bodies of unfortunate, exploited women and girls - and to a far lesser extent, the bodies of boys and men - so that men who can afford it can obtain their own sexual pleasure whenever and however they want with no concern about how their behavior impacts the human beings they exploit and society at large?"
Tellingly, very few of the guys who support the idea that men in the US should be granted a constitutional right to obtain paid access to the bodies of other people, particularly women and girls, for their own sexual gratification whenever men want seem to have any interest in working as prostitutes at the beck and call of male punters and under the control of pimps, procurers, brothel owners and criminal syndicates themselves. Funny that.
And just for the moron in the house, joedirt . . .
1) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
Prove it or you are lying.
2) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
How many people do you think would be working ANY job if the alternative was "desperate poverty"? This argument says nothing whatsoever to distinguish prostitution from any other job.
3) "Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates."
Prove it or you are lying.
4) "The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men"
Prove it or you are lying.
And on. And on. And on. . . .
Like I said, the logical and factual failures are just too numerous to even know where to start.
Just imagine you are having sex with a woman who has seen 10 men that same day and hundreds or thousands over the course of a year. Gross. And you had to pay for it, haha. You had to pay a woman for attention.
I agree, it is pathetic. And for people who claim it is a victimless crime, consider the number of women who are trafficked around the world every year. Some of those women wind up as prostitutes in America.
But let’s say that somehow in a make believe world we could guarantee that the whore on the corner was there because she is some sort of entrepreneur, or is the girl boss, or whatever the hip term is. She is still selling sex for money. She is still exploiting herself, and the men who pay for her services. It is still taking something that is sacred, namely sex, and making it base and cheap.
Yes, I am well aware that base and cheap sex having all the time. That doesn’t mean that we should go all in and allow it to be bought and sold on the streets. Not without a fight. It cheapens sex and destroys lives. It should not be allowed.
Nearly all the demand for sex from prostitutes comes from men. Very few of the world's women seek out sex from prostitutes.
Some people who work as prostitutes are males. But the vast majority of prostituted and sex-trafficked people on planet earth are female.
Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty. Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates. The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men, including men who are their family members and clients, and many suffer from PTSD and brain damage due to repeated head injuries.
The vast majority of prostituted girls and women worldwide want out of the sex industry.
So let's be clear: the question OP raised is not, "should prostitution be federally legalized and made a constitutional right?" the way he phrased it.
The question OP raised is, "should the federal government make it legal and a constitutional right for men in the US to use money to gain access to the bodies of unfortunate, exploited women and girls - and to a far lesser extent, the bodies of boys and men - so that men who can afford it can obtain their own sexual pleasure whenever and however they want with no concern about how their behavior impacts the human beings they exploit and society at large?"
Tellingly, very few of the guys who support the idea that men in the US should be granted a constitutional right to obtain paid access to the bodies of other people, particularly women and girls, for their own sexual gratification whenever men want seem to have any interest in working as prostitutes at the beck and call of male punters and under the control of pimps, procurers, brothel owners and criminal syndicates themselves. Funny that.
The logic failures within your post are so egregious and so numerous one does not even know where to start.
Unbelievably poor post - even if one agrees with the view that prostitution should be illegal - just a terrible, absurd, ridiculous post.
Oh c'mon, mate, you can do better than that, can't you? Men have been dismissing women's views as "logic failures" and telling us our perspective on matters like the insistence that girls and women be prostituted to provide men with sexual pleasure on demand are "terrible, absurd, ridiculous" since time immemorial. It's risible. And pathetic.
Since you're having such trouble getting started, why not just go through my post paragraph by paragraph - or line by line - in the order I wrote it and point out all out the "logic failures" that you say are "so egregious and numerous" one by one?
If you stick to a simple, straightforward approach, it should take you no time at all to make a convincing case that what I said was an "unbelievably poor post - just terrible, absurd, ridiculous."
And just for the moron in the house, joedirt . . .
1) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
Prove it or you are lying.
2) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
How many people do you think would be working ANY job if the alternative was "desperate poverty"? This argument says nothing whatsoever to distinguish prostitution from any other job.
3) "Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates."
Prove it or you are lying.
4) "The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men"
Prove it or you are lying.
And on. And on. And on. . . .
Like I said, the logical and factual failures are just too numerous to even know where to start.
And just for the moron in the house, joedirt . . .
1) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
Prove it or you are lying.
2) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
How many people do you think would be working ANY job if the alternative was "desperate poverty"? This argument says nothing whatsoever to distinguish prostitution from any other job.
3) "Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates."
Prove it or you are lying.
4) "The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men"
Prove it or you are lying.
And on. And on. And on. . . .
Like I said, the logical and factual failures are just too numerous to even know where to start.
And just for the moron in the house, joedirt . . .
1) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
Prove it or you are lying.
2) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
How many people do you think would be working ANY job if the alternative was "desperate poverty"? This argument says nothing whatsoever to distinguish prostitution from any other job.
3) "Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates."
Prove it or you are lying.
4) "The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men"
Prove it or you are lying.
And on. And on. And on. . . .
Like I said, the logical and factual failures are just too numerous to even know where to start.
Nearly all the demand for sex from prostitutes comes from men. Very few of the world's women seek out sex from prostitutes.
Some people who work as prostitutes are males. But the vast majority of prostituted and sex-trafficked people on planet earth are female.
Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty. Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates. The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men, including men who are their family members and clients, and many suffer from PTSD and brain damage due to repeated head injuries.
The vast majority of prostituted girls and women worldwide want out of the sex industry.
So let's be clear: the question OP raised is not, "should prostitution be federally legalized and made a constitutional right?" the way he phrased it.
The question OP raised is, "should the federal government make it legal and a constitutional right for men in the US to use money to gain access to the bodies of unfortunate, exploited women and girls - and to a far lesser extent, the bodies of boys and men - so that men who can afford it can obtain their own sexual pleasure whenever and however they want with no concern about how their behavior impacts the human beings they exploit and society at large?"
Tellingly, very few of the guys who support the idea that men in the US should be granted a constitutional right to obtain paid access to the bodies of other people, particularly women and girls, for their own sexual gratification whenever men want seem to have any interest in working as prostitutes at the beck and call of male punters and under the control of pimps, procurers, brothel owners and criminal syndicates themselves. Funny that.
And just for the moron in the house, joedirt . . .
1) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
Prove it or you are lying.
2) "Globally, the vast majority of girls and women who end up in prostitution enter the industry as minors and do so as a result of coercion, force and/or desperate poverty."
How many people do you think would be working ANY job if the alternative was "desperate poverty"? This argument says nothing whatsoever to distinguish prostitution from any other job.
3) "Most girls and women in prostitution are under control of procurers, pimps, brothel owners and criminal syndicates."
Prove it or you are lying.
4) "The vast majority of girls and women in prostitution have lifelong histories of being sexually assaulted and physically abused by men"
Prove it or you are lying.
And on. And on. And on. . . .
Like I said, the logical and factual failures are just too numerous to even know where to start.
And you are a moron, joedirt.
Also, why are you telling joedirt to prove points that I made? Do you consider arguing with women directly as beneath you?
Could it be you are only comfortable putting women down and regarding us as objects for male sexual objectification and gratification?
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