Adam State STUNNED, US #2 places 7th in south central region, WTF happened ?!?!

RSU lost to Lewis at UAH. Saginaw thus has wins over RSU.

Just discovered also that Missouri S&T lost to Pueblo (Chili Pepper) and Central Mo has a direct loss to S&T (At SBU). Pueblo likely advances over Central Mo. That means Adams v. Central Mo. Adams had no losses. south central gets in and Adams gets to get redemption.

this is why big D1s still race and go get their Kolas points. Just in case this happens.

I still think the west teams (SFU, CPP, and Biola) get in over Pueblo.

The west teams have secondary wins over Pueblo via beating Mesa who beat Pueblo.

Pueblo doesn’t have secondary wins over the west. Their wins are third level wins. They beat Adams, Adams beat Azusa, Azusa beat the other west teams.

Not 100% sure since I'm not on the committee, but this makes it sounds like the wins are negated if a team also has a loss against that same competitor. For example, the Pueblo men may not get 2nd degree wins from beating Adams since they lost to Adams at the RMAC meet. Here's bullet point 4 under 2, b, 2 of the selection criteria:

"If there are both wins and losses in the common competitor chain, for either first
or second degree opponents in common, this will not be counted for or against a
team."

You are forgetting that East Central beat CSUP directly head to head.

Looks like South Central ends at Pueblo. West Region teams might have a chance of getting in with Mesa>Pueblo and East Central > Pueblo

Bring back Luke Cragg and Kevin Batt. They still have eligibility.

What is means is that if the teams being compared from two different regions have the same wins or losses vs a common opponent then it wouldn't factor. There would be no advantage.

But as it stands in the case of CSUP and Adams in the same region they now have the same wins and losses overall because they beat and lost to each other and CSUP is one step ahead because of order of finish at regionals.

Adams is not in a good spot. If they had been 6th then they could've survived the situation, but 7th and behind CSUP puts them down the ladder in the at-large teams order and that's even if the West has zero at-large teams.

Lets dig up Matt Daniels. I've got a medical redshirt with his name on it

I was there and wheeled the course it was actually 20 meters long. 2 guys 4:32 at the first mile, whole field was sprinting the second 5k. I really think this meet was more competitive than D1 nationals, and all of the top 10 will break 28:30 in track and few guys outside the top 10 didn't even have good days and will be all american contenders.

Not Short Course is long

Missed the Mesa > Pueblo at RMAC and the D2 Nats result. Central Missouri essentially going to make it impossible for Pueblo/Adams to get out and by order of finish East Central. I think the computer formula will actually now work in favor of SFU & Pomona. I don’t know if the west picks up any losses to any teams Pueblo beat.

While D2 doesn’t have the budget, I will say this system discourages teams from competing where the D1 system encourages competition. There’s no harm in losing in D1. They’d rather race competitive teams often to rack up wins/points. D2 you don’t have to race. There’s more risk to racing than there is to gain.

For the men… Northwood took down Edinboro at Wayne State giving them a secondary win against Davis & Elkins. Wouldn’t this get them in before it goes to the committee’s selection?

I can't find a way for Pueblo to make it in. I could honestly see the selection committee ignoring the formula and simply picking CSU Pueblo and Adams. The whole idea of the process is to field the strongest teams at nationals and Adams State not getting selected looks bad. I would bet my house Damon Martin has been pressuring them nonstop.

If they stick to formula, contender Awet Beraki (and possibly Cameron Allan) gets left at home as well. At-Large individual selection is based on the number of team qualifiers.

I don't disagree with you, but that would be super disappointing. Not because I don't want ASC to run, but because it devalues the process. Why come up with an elaborate scheme to 'fairly' pick the at-large bids if you are going to throw it out the window as soon as a coach applies some pressure or the results doesn't fit with what people 'want'.

The race is somewhat diminished without ASC, but sht happens and every team should have to deal with the consequences of 'sht happening' equally, rather than getting a pass because of their reputation. If ASC gets in through fair application of the existing process then that's great and it will make the national meet all that much better. But if they don't it will still be a great meet and life will go on for everyone.

I have the same women's teams as you, but in a different order. Nebraska Kearney should get in first as they beat SC#4 CSU-Pueblo at Chile Pepper. That gives Nebraska-Kearney wins over Pueblo, but also the West since SC#5 Western Colorado beat the whole West region at Pre-Nats. Nebraska-Kearney also beats MW#4 Saginaw Valley since C#5 Winona beat SVSU at Lewis.

Next would be SC#4 CSU Pueblo. They get in over C#5 Winona due to SC#7 Colorado Christian's win over Winona at Lewis.

Western Colorado is next due to the same logic.

West Texas A&M is next due to the same logic.

Colorado Christian gets in next as they have direct wins over Winona and Saginaw Valley. CCU has an indirect win over W#4 Cal Poly Pomona due to SC#8 Westminster's win over CPP at Pre-Nats.

Dallas Baptist gets in next due to an indirect win over Winona via beating Nebraska Kearney at Chile Pepper.

Winona is next. Direct win over SVSU. Indirect win via this chain: Winona > SVSU (Lewis), SVSU > SW Baptist (MW Region), SW Baptist > Cal State East Bay (MSSU Stampede), CSUEB > Westminster (Pre-Nats), Westminster > Cal Poly Pomona (Pre-Nats). This gives Winona wins over the next team from the MW, SC, and W. The thing I'm not totally sure about here is what to do with CSU East Bay vs. Cal Poly Pomona as they split some races this year (East Bay won at Pre-Nats and conference, but Pomona had the good regional race).

Minnesota Duluth is next. Same chains as Winona's since Duluth also beat SVSU at Lewis.

Then SVSU or NW Missouri. I had a way to break this, but I can't remember what it was now. Either way you go, I have the other team getting selected next.

The foot bone is connected to the knee bone which makes the head less important than the synapsis because the flu caused the floods and thennnnnnnnn Jack and jill ran up the hill to catch the big bad wolf only to find Sleeping beauty eating the porridge, which means that the professor did it in the study with the candle stick!

The problem is in the end racing when it matters never actually matters. You telling me that Team B is better than Team C because Team 5 beat team L who beat team K who beat team C and Team B beat team 5 in September, makes no sense!!!!!!

The process only takes direct wins and secondary wins into account. If Team A beats Team B and Team B beats Team C, then Team A > Team C. This is why I would say Northwood would be selected as they have a secondary win over Davis and Elkins.

It’s official…no Adams State representation on the men’s side

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