10 Years Ago Kipchoge Was PAST His Prime: What Happened?

"Weak" or less doped?

I think it is unlikely our 5/10k runners are doping more than they road racers do.

Kipchoge gets faster and faster as he nears forty but I see that with a career as long as his no one tries the "fresh legs" argument. However there's still the "shoes", even though no one else seems to benefit from these as much as the 38 year-old. And of course, no one else trains hard. I look forward to even greater achievements at 50.

So you see the sudden fall-off in performance by a single athlete when doping rules are toughened as the same as "autism increases when it rains", or whatever. Since neither injury nor age were apparently causal factors for this decline, I wonder what else it might be? Apparently you have never grasped the link between doping and performance.

Ok this made me laugh

Are you joking? I said Americans who could run a half marathon at the world record pace. I would guess in 2001 that at least 10 could run 1:02:51. For sure Meb, Abdi, Culpepper, Kennedy, Goucher just off the top of my head.

I searched the veracity of this quote and it was in a 2005 presentation on doping and was attributed to a guy not named Dick Pound. So like many of your arguments it’s thin at best. With how sophisticated anti-doping is nowadays in fact I’d suggest everyone dumb and careless is caught eventually. You guys even yourselves tacitly admit it by assuming all whereabouts bans are for dopers who know they would be caught red-handed. If it was so easy to beat the tests, there’d be no reason to ever miss a test.

Great performance = doping. Yawn. So tiresome.

That Bob Beamon fellow must have been a chemistry genius. Who knew?

BTW, that journal article is about EPO and neuronal aging. It has nothing to do with athletic performance. Did you even read it? And did you know that EPO testing has been around for 22 years?

The article was linked because this is a thread asking how Kipchoge can be obliterating his own world records at age 37 and 11 months when he peaked athletically 10 years ago (actually 18 years ago when he was still a teenager). There have been at least several different studies that have shown that EPO has anti-aging effects (in addition to its running performance benefits). Clear?

No great performance = MOTS-c.

Ze German chemist is very good ja .

Ye are really dopes ,

not a clue in ze world .

Ignorance is bliss but so is truth.

Not just kipchoge , that using this .

have you not been paying attention to all those long distance records dropping since

2019 ,

The longer the distance,

The better this stuff becomes .

why can't get close over 1500m or 800m

As just not the same as full tilt epo for these

shorter distances, in most situations.

For the love of god ,

wonder how that Canadian dropped a 26'31".

So bloody obvious.

Not just this chap ,

where did the extra endurance come from

in 400mh ,

like a different event, nowadays.

Remember there is also a new ped in sprinting too since 2019 or so .

Wonder how that Kenyan went from 10.30

To 9.77 seconds in 100m. The combo.

If I know the drugs involved, so does

wada and others within administration of it

That’s peaking for a different distance /event… you must not really know how this running game works… it’s ok, you’ll learn… mostly the hard way…

MOTS-c......... MOTS-c,.......... MOTS-c

a mitochondrial derived peptide,

drives aicar levels thru roof .

you know ze many other pathways that In endurance performance.

rather than just standard Blood doping

Time to start calling out these people.

Well I wonder why full tilt epo was used in

many of fast times in 200 m and especially

the 400m.

Well I just keep on wondering ... ...

So cite those studies, especially the ones that demonstrate that the anti-aging effects of EPO are in any way related to physical performance. Clear?

Besides, you were blatantly wrong in claiming that EPO testing was first introduced in 2004-2005. It was introduced at the Sydney Olympics in 2000.

And what ABOUT Bob Beamon? By your logic, he couldn't possibly have jumped nearly 2 feet further than the previous WR unless he was doped. So was he? How about David Moorcroft?

Doesn't the sheer number of distance runners who also have top shelf corporate contracts/sponsors answer your own question? There's no need to speculate: we can literally see and compare the results of Kipchoge directly to his well-heeled foes Farah, Bekele, Osako, Rupp, Kamworor, etc.

And you wonder why Nike were so confident

in sub 2 hour project .

MOTS-c is why .

something epo variants could never do.

especially the latter stages of race

and the consistency.

Look did the two

5000m 10000m records not go at same time.

MOTS-c....,........ MOTS-c,........... MOTS-c

From what I've read, the marathon is most definitely about aerobic capacity and running economy. The 5k in particular has a strong VO2 max component and that is what drops away quite precipitously when you reach your thirties. Aerobic capacity can continue to improve into your late-30s and maybe beyond. It's why you see so many amateur guys in their 50s/60s who can run 3:10 for the marathon but only 21/22 minutes for 5k.