New detailed info about Shelby/btc relationship

casual obsever wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined.

LOL. What?

1) You have lots of sympathy for her, as you keep standing up for her.

2) She cheated to get an outstanding running career, which now got interrupted due to her carelessness.

Even among drug cheats, she is particularly annoying because of all the extra perks she got/demanded/took:

1) Her provisional ban was kept secret on her request (PR).

2) Her process was expedited by the AIU on her request, skipping the DT (PR).

3) She was re-instated to race at USATF after CAS confirmed her ban (fortunately only temporarily).

4) Although she kept training normally with BTC while provisionally banned, including at the altitude camp, those months counted towards the four year ban (in contrast to the rules!).

5) Even after her ban, she continued to get trained by Schumacher, and do easy and long runs with the team (possibly breaking the rules again).

At minimum, her ban should extended to start at the day of the CAS decision. IMHO the ban should start sometime this year when she really stopped training with BTC, whenever exactly that was.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Hahahaha what a moron wrote:

Houlihan thinks the system is flawed because the doping agency never had to prove she took a banned substance.
“There was obviously something in my system and I understand that I have a responsibility for what’s in my body,” Houlihan said. “But I think knowing that I never intentionally put it there and (I’m) still having to serve a four-year ban is definitely a flaw in the system. I don’t feel like they did their due diligence in trying to figure out what the truth was. It was just at the end of the day I couldn’t, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove where it came from.”

She tests positive for a high level of synthetic nandrolone and she complains about the system because the AIU didn’t “do their due diligence” to figure out how the nandrolone got there?!

She’s banned through the 2024 Olympics so it really doesn’t matter what she thinks. I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined. In addition to the ban, what is it some of you want from her?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

LOL. What?

1) You have lots of sympathy for her, as you keep standing up for her.

2) She cheated to get an outstanding running career, which now got interrupted due to her carelessness.

Even among drug cheats, she is particularly annoying because of all the extra perks she got/demanded/took:

1) Her provisional ban was kept secret on her request (PR).

2) Her process was expedited by the AIU on her request, skipping the DT (PR).

3) She was re-instated to race at USATF after CAS confirmed her ban (fortunately only temporarily).

4) Although she kept training normally with BTC while provisionally banned, including at the altitude camp, those months counted towards the four year ban (in contrast to the rules!).

5) Even after her ban, she continued to get trained by Schumacher, and do easy and long runs with the team (possibly breaking the rules again).

At minimum, her ban should extended to start at the day of the CAS decision. IMHO the ban should start sometime this year when she really stopped training with BTC, whenever exactly that was.

Being allowed to run with some BTC runners or hang out at Jerry’s gym, brings joy to her life? She must be a simpleton.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Hahahaha what a moron wrote:

Houlihan thinks the system is flawed because the doping agency never had to prove she took a banned substance.
“There was obviously something in my system and I understand that I have a responsibility for what’s in my body,” Houlihan said. “But I think knowing that I never intentionally put it there and (I’m) still having to serve a four-year ban is definitely a flaw in the system. I don’t feel like they did their due diligence in trying to figure out what the truth was. It was just at the end of the day I couldn’t, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove where it came from.”

She tests positive for a high level of synthetic nandrolone and she complains about the system because the AIU didn’t “do their due diligence” to figure out how the nandrolone got there?!

She’s banned through the 2024 Olympics so it really doesn’t matter what she thinks. I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined. In addition to the ban, what is it some of you want from her?

I think you nailed it wrote:

some stuff he wrote:

For years I believed that NOP was dirty and BTC was clean. Just being real here. There were no rumors I saw on the boards, nothing. Then Shelby gets busted and all of a sudden everyone is like "oh I always knew!"

DID YOU REALLY ALWAYS KNOW?

There were boards saying Shelby was dirty but most pointed to suspicious progression, not rumors in the group itself.

If there are things that I missed please point it out. I obviously think Shelby was dirty now. I jus never noticed it before.

As someone who did a little Shelbo bashing/Houlifan baiting, I think you are right. I was all about her progressions and debunking the sillier claims about how she'd always been unworldly fast. (My favorite troll was reminding her fans that Houlihan, the defending champ, got outsprinted at NCAAs by a sophomore, Rhianwedd Price. Hardly the stuff of legend.)

The closest I heard to "You know about BTC" was talk the Fancy Bears leak on Jager.