Which is why people use life expectancy as a measure of overall health.
And my point is that length of life is a terrible measure. You can be totally unhealthy and a worthless liability for a long time. Modern healthcare can keep very unhealthy people alive. Weak, sick and worthless, but still alive. We are extremely unhealthy as a society. you would expect life expectancy to take a nosedive but the medical industry does its thing. Life expectancy averages are misleading as a result.
if you focus on health metrics right now - body fat %, strength and endurance tests, then living a long life will take care of itself WITHOUT medical intervention.
doctors and hospitals are for the sick and injured. Live a healthy life and you won’t get sick. that’s how it works.
Western medicine literally works miracles when it comes to emergency and trauma care. But nearly everything else killing people is a function of lifestyle choices. Stay away from the medical business. Be healthy instead. That’s what I do.
This guy seems to be digging his heels in deeper and deeper based on his naive conviction that modern medicine is evil or unnecessary or some BS like that.
Life expectancy is an excellent measure that perfectly captures the unhealthy lifestyles on average that Americans are living relative to other developed economies, so you are plain wrong. Nobody expects American lifespans to “nosedive” because we are unhealthy because so are many in Japan, Switzerland, Italy and what not, just that we are *relatively* worse on average. The US at 79 is squarely in between the world average of 73 and the maximum of 85 across countries despite being the richest country in the world. Nigeria’s is 55 not because they are unhealthy as a people, but because of limited resources.
Try living your super healthy life in Nigeria and come back to tell us how it went, if you survive the experience, that is.
Life expectancy at birth in the United States declined nearly a year from 2020 to 2021, according to new provisional data from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). That decline – 77.0 to 76.1 years – took U.S. life expectancy at birth to its lowest level since 1996. The 0.9 year drop in life expectancy in 2021, along with a 1.8 year drop in 2020, was the biggest two-year decline in life expectancy since 1921-1923.
Life expectancy at birth for women in the United States dropped 0.8 years from 79.9 years in 2020 to 79.1 in 2021, while life expectancy for men dropped one full year, from 74.2 years in 2020 to 73.2 in 2021. The report shows the disparity in life expectancy between men and women grew in 2021 from 5.7 years in 2020 to 5.9 years in 2021. From 2000 to 2010, this disparity had narrowed to 4.8 years, but gradually increased from 2010 to 2019 and is now the largest gap since 1996.
The declines in life expectancy since 2019 are largely driven by the pandemic. COVID-19 deaths contributed to nearly three-fourths or 74% of the decline from 2019 to 2020 and 50% of the decline from 2020 to 2021. An estimated 16% of the decline in life expectancy from 2020 to 2021 can be attributed to increases in deaths from accidents/unintentional injuries. Drug overdose deaths account for nearly half of all unintentional injury deaths. The most recent data reported by NCHS showed more than 109,000 overdose deaths in the one-year period ending in March of 2022.
Other causes of death contributing to the decline in life expectancy from 2020 to 2021 include heart disease (4.1% of the decline), chronic liver disease and cirrhosis (3.0%), and suicide (2.1%). For men, the one-year decline in life expectancy was attributed primarily to mortality from COVID-19 (49.5% of the decline), unintentional injuries (19.1%), suicide (3.6%), chronic liver disease and cirrhosis (3.4%), and homicide (2.5%). For women, the 0.8 year decline in life expectancy was attributed mainly to mortality from COVID-19 (51.2% of the decline), unintentional injuries (14.8%), heart disease (5.7%), stroke (3.5%), and chronic liver disease and cirrhosis (2.4%).
Yeah, those are the results of what Rust Never Sleeps listed: We eat and drink too much garbage We do not exercise enough We sit too much We work too many hours and under too much pressure We are undersexed We worry too damned much about trivialities and cannot turn off our anger and stress We are horrible about getting regular preventive medical care Our conveniences are poisoning us
It's really not. That's just a cliché laundry list of lifestyle complaints that could have been written in 1990 that doesn't explain recent developments in mortality.
And my point is that length of life is a terrible measure. You can be totally unhealthy and a worthless liability for a long time. Modern healthcare can keep very unhealthy people alive. Weak, sick and worthless, but still alive. We are extremely unhealthy as a society. you would expect life expectancy to take a nosedive but the medical industry does its thing. Life expectancy averages are misleading as a result.
if you focus on health metrics right now - body fat %, strength and endurance tests, then living a long life will take care of itself WITHOUT medical intervention.
doctors and hospitals are for the sick and injured. Live a healthy life and you won’t get sick. that’s how it works.
Western medicine literally works miracles when it comes to emergency and trauma care. But nearly everything else killing people is a function of lifestyle choices. Stay away from the medical business. Be healthy instead. That’s what I do.
This guy seems to be digging his heels in deeper and deeper based on his naive conviction that modern medicine is evil or unnecessary or some BS like that.
Life expectancy is an excellent measure that perfectly captures the unhealthy lifestyles on average that Americans are living relative to other developed economies, so you are plain wrong. Nobody expects American lifespans to “nosedive” because we are unhealthy because so are many in Japan, Switzerland, Italy and what not, just that we are *relatively* worse on average. The US at 79 is squarely in between the world average of 73 and the maximum of 85 across countries despite being the richest country in the world. Nigeria’s is 55 not because they are unhealthy as a people, but because of limited resources.
Try living your super healthy life in Nigeria and come back to tell us how it went, if you survive the experience, that is.
This guy is missing the point. The point is living a healthy lifestyle. There is no point in comparing life expectancy averages in one country to another. That accomplishes absolutely nothing. It's a worthless metric for reasons stated earlier. One can be very unhealthy and still be alive, even living to a median life expectancy age. That's not success. That's a failure. The solution to the problem is not the medical industry. The solution to the problem is living a healthy lifestyle. How do you know if you are healthy? Body fat%, strength and endurance tests. Measure that instead.
OP’s point is that we can’t despite “our advanced medical industry”, rather American men have an anomalously lower lifespan compared to other countries with a comparable per capita gdp and quality of medical care available.
My point is that lifespan is a useless metric. Forget about lifespan. Are you healthy or not?
That's not necessarily true. Lifespan is a product of the total environment you live in. You could be perfectly healthy, but you need to drive to get places (i.e. groceries, commute to work) so you're more at risk of dying in a car crash than someone who walks everywhere and that negatively affects your lifespan. Personal health doesn't have anything to do with that.
It is important to take into account young males because they have the biggest overall effect on lifespan. Overdoses, suicides, accidents, and homicide all impact young males at a much higher rate than other groups. Young males really are in crisis but are largely ignored. For lots, they feel hopeless. I am a high school teacher at an urban school. I am immersed in this daily.
-An entire national economy structured by and for the benefit of oligarchs.
-An entire work force turned into glorified hourly wage slave 'gig' workers and casuals.
-Almost NO pensions available to the work force anymore. Social security and Medicare under constant threat by one of two national political parties.
-Slim benefits at most work places, including increasingly severe 'health plans' that require many thousands of dollars out of pocket before plans cover anything at all.
-NO universal healthcare.
-Meager social safety net benefits, recipients of which are ostracized endlessly.
-Constant propaganda push about the myth of 'freedom' and 'rugged indivualism', which are nothing more than euphemisms pushed by the oligarchs that essentially mean, "I am free to exploit you and you are free to drop dead".
-One of two national parties captured by anti-science, anti-democracy, anti-public health interests that gravely exacerbated a global pandemic.
-A society that allows its citizens to fall to the point of massive homelessness and despair, in front of our very eyes. Remember, any American outside the top .5% can, in the wake of one personal disaster, find themselves perilously close to homelessness.
America's failure to reign in unfettered oligarchic takeover has created a country in which the fabulously wealthy have it ALL, and all the rest of us can drop dead. That is why Americans not only live less long, but with decreased happiness and lower quality of life than other western industrialized countries.
A good list, but you could add:
-It jails a vastly greater percentage of its citizenry, disproportionately men, than comparable countries, then renders them second class citizens upon release.
Top leading causes of death among men in 2018 were:
Heart disease Cancer Unintentional injuries Chronic lower respiratory disease Stroke Diabetes Alzheimer’s disease Suicide Influenza and pneumonia Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
Most of these are related to lifestyle.
Hidden in this list is obesity. Obesity roughly doubles the risk of everything on this list, except suicide. You'd think unintentional injuries wouldn't be linked to obesity, but the obese are at a much higher risk of death if they are hospitalized because of the increased risks of complications.
My point is that lifespan is a useless metric. Forget about lifespan. Are you healthy or not?
That's not necessarily true. Lifespan is a product of the total environment you live in. You could be perfectly healthy, but you need to drive to get places (i.e. groceries, commute to work) so you're more at risk of dying in a car crash than someone who walks everywhere and that negatively affects your lifespan. Personal health doesn't have anything to do with that.
No point explaining it to that camrogan guy. Several have tried. He’s just a troll. His point is to just be healthy and he defines health as body fat % and strength and endurance tests.
For some reason that he can not explain, he additionally thinks the medical establishment and the life expectancy metric are useless.
My point is that lifespan is a useless metric. Forget about lifespan. Are you healthy or not?
That's not necessarily true. Lifespan is a product of the total environment you live in. You could be perfectly healthy, but you need to drive to get places (i.e. groceries, commute to work) so you're more at risk of dying in a car crash than someone who walks everywhere and that negatively affects your lifespan. Personal health doesn't have anything to do with that.
That's not necessarily true. Lifespan is a product of the total environment you live in. You could be perfectly healthy, but you need to drive to get places (i.e. groceries, commute to work) so you're more at risk of dying in a car crash than someone who walks everywhere and that negatively affects your lifespan. Personal health doesn't have anything to do with that.
No point explaining it to that camrogan guy. Several have tried. He’s just a troll. His point is to just be healthy and he defines health as body fat % and strength and endurance tests.
For some reason that he can not explain, he additionally thinks the medical establishment and the life expectancy metric are useless.
This is actually an interesting question. Our life expectancy is well below that of other developed/rich nations. Does fitness/fatness explain this? Deaths of despair? Likely partially.
But another issue is healthcare. All of the nations above us on the life expectancy list - all of them - have some form of universal healthcare (what we have in the US - ER access - is not in that league). It would be foolish to dismiss that out of hand as an important contributing factor.
This is actually an interesting question. Our life expectancy is well below that of other developed/rich nations. Does fitness/fatness explain this? Deaths of despair? Likely partially.
But another issue is healthcare. All of the nations above us on the life expectancy list - all of them - have some form of universal healthcare (what we have in the US - ER access - is not in that league). It would be foolish to dismiss that out of hand as an important contributing factor.
The more healthcare you receive the worse you are. Lifestyle diseases are the number one killers. "Healthcare" treats lifestyle diseases with drugs. If you treat lifestyle diseases with drugs you will die sooner.
Life expectancy at birth in the United States declined nearly a year from 2020 to 2021, according to new provisional data from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). That decline – 77.0 to 76.1 years – took U.S. life expectancy at birth to its lowest level since 1996. The 0.9 year drop in life expectancy in 2021, along with a 1.8 year drop in 2020, was the biggest two-year decline in life expectancy since 1921-1923.
Life expectancy at birth for women in the United States dropped 0.8 years from 79.9 years in 2020 to 79.1 in 2021, while life expectancy for men dropped one full year, from 74.2 years in 2020 to 73.2 in 2021. The report shows the disparity in life expectancy between men and women grew in 2021 from 5.7 years in 2020 to 5.9 years in 2021. From 2000 to 2010, this disparity had narrowed to 4.8 years, but gradually increased from 2010 to 2019 and is now the largest gap since 1996.
The declines in life expectancy since 2019 are largely driven by the pandemic. COVID-19 deaths contributed to nearly three-fourths or 74% of the decline from 2019 to 2020 and 50% of the decline from 2020 to 2021. An estimated 16% of the decline in life expectancy from 2020 to 2021 can be attributed to increases in deaths from accidents/unintentional injuries. Drug overdose deaths account for nearly half of all unintentional injury deaths. The most recent data reported by NCHS showed more than 109,000 overdose deaths in the one-year period ending in March of 2022.
Other causes of death contributing to the decline in life expectancy from 2020 to 2021 include heart disease (4.1% of the decline), chronic liver disease and cirrhosis (3.0%), and suicide (2.1%). For men, the one-year decline in life expectancy was attributed primarily to mortality from COVID-19 (49.5% of the decline), unintentional injuries (19.1%), suicide (3.6%), chronic liver disease and cirrhosis (3.4%), and homicide (2.5%). For women, the 0.8 year decline in life expectancy was attributed mainly to mortality from COVID-19 (51.2% of the decline), unintentional injuries (14.8%), heart disease (5.7%), stroke (3.5%), and chronic liver disease and cirrhosis (2.4%).
Nice try with the stats and what not. It’s the vaccine that’s killing everyone. WHERE MUH TRUTHERS AT!?
This is actually an interesting question. Our life expectancy is well below that of other developed/rich nations. Does fitness/fatness explain this? Deaths of despair? Likely partially.
But another issue is healthcare. All of the nations above us on the life expectancy list - all of them - have some form of universal healthcare (what we have in the US - ER access - is not in that league). It would be foolish to dismiss that out of hand as an important contributing factor.
The more healthcare you receive the worse you are. Lifestyle diseases are the number one killers. "Healthcare" treats lifestyle diseases with drugs. If you treat lifestyle diseases with drugs you will die sooner.
If my car is in the shop all the time, does that mean the repairs are actually bad for my car? No, it means I drive an old, crappy, poorly maintained car that breaks down all the time. Correlation != causation
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