Damn that’s awesome, I can’t think of of a cooler school to attend than Stanford great location and school pride.
I bet it’s a giddy feeling being able to tell people you are attending Stanford. Cloud 9 level of personal satisfaction.
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good for them!!!! wrote:
rojo wrote:
Live now on youtube.
Smart choice this shows they are looking outside of the running box. The anticipated schools that the running community thought as possible selections for the Leo and Lex
NAU: Acceptance rate of 83% (Not a resume standout)
Colorado: Acceptance rate of 82% (Not a resume standout)
Virginia: Acceptance rate of 26% (High selective looks good on a resume)
UCLA: Acceptance rate of 12.3% (High selective looks good on a resume)
Stanford: Acceptance rate of 5% (six figure salary post running)
Running is not there future a solid career is and they are setting themselves up nicely. I remember being a high school athlete not at there level but had a few schools interested and money was not really an issue. My dad wanted me to get a good education. I had a D-3 school very interested Bowdoin College and I applied and the coach fought to get me in. The school currently has a 10% acceptance rate. its been around 20 years I have a solid educational background but regret not taking that opportunity when it was offered.
How do you know running is not their future? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but seems a little ridiculous to assume 2 of the best recruits in High School history can't make a good living on running. Especially once you add in how big of a following they have on social media / youtube, they are way more marketable than the average pro distance runner that disappears 9 months of the year.
I wish them the best in whatever path they choose, but not everyone needs to be focused on the 9-5 life.
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OTHERnations wrote:
Didn't these guys get the memo that the GOAT of all distance coaches just got hired at UCLA?
I think it's telling they chose not to go there.
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academics matter too wrote:
you can get a $150-180k job out of college (relatively) easily if you're intelligent and work hard from any college, but you're not making >$300k if you don't go to a T10*. Also, the most prestigious companies only hire from (I'm not even exaggerating) 5 or so schools, with some only really hiring from 3.
You need to go to basically only Harvard/Stanford/Wharton to have a non-0.0001% chance at a company like Silver Lake (PE), or H/P/M for Five Rings (Quant). Yes, there are people who don't go to those three schools, but they'll either be well qualified but not as (insanely) qualified than other applicants but with demographic factors that boost them - the most common tend to be African (in particular, Nigerian and Ghanian-American) women from wealthy backgrounds - or people who go to basically equivalent but slightly less well-known colleges (whichever of HYPSM I didn't include above, as well as Columbia, Duke, and Chicago). You have no shot otherwise.
* T10: HYPSM + Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Cal Tech, Wharton; CMU and Berkeley honors (typically Regents students) are included for CS
Making only $180K out of college and not $300K, what a failure! They can’t even make as much as the average Letsrun poster!
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Kimbui wrote:
va coach wrote:
There have been two things said in this thread that stand out:
- Stanford has a long history of high profile, heavily hyped recruiting, and spectacularly under delivering. This is fact. Not biased. Not opinion.
- A Stanford education and degree won't be worth any more than most other schools after an athlete spends several years as a pro runner before he enters the job/career market. This is complete BS. Not even remotely connected to reality.
Spending several years removed from one's degree won't land the pro athlete in a prime job once their career is completed.There are European programmes in place to ensure that athletes can marry their studies to their careers without missing many steps in between. I don't see the Americans involved in similar programmes.
Isn't that exactly what the Brooks Beast program was aiming to do? Provide job training while running? I thought I heard Allie O mention this program in a past interview.
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Over hyped ` wrote:
Stanford has always over recruited, under delivered, and this will be no exception.
Actually, Stanford was the second most successful distance program in the country this past year:
If you scored cross-country 2021 by top 8 finishers and top 8 teams and added those scores to the 5 indoor and outdoor events from track and cross-country, you'd get this. Stanford got a respectable 5th in cross-country this past year (and Cole Sprout was injured) but they picked up tons of points in the Indoor 3K and 5K as well as the outdoor 5K and 10K:
Northern Arizona 47
Stanford 43
Texas 33
Wisconsin 32
Ole Miss 28
Iowa State 24
Washington 23
Michigan St 20
Notre Dame 18
Princeton 17
BYU 16
Texas A & M 16
Oklahoma State 15
Arkansas 15
Florida State 10
Eastern Kentucky 10
Texas Tech 10
Campbell 10
Oregon 9
Montana State 8
Illinois 8
Mississippi State 8
Georgetown 6
Wake Forest 5
Colorado 5
Michigan 4
Villanova 4
Air Force 4
Drake 4
Duke 3
Tulsa 3
Arizona State 3
Minnesota 3
Virginia Tech 3
Alabama 1
Lipscomb 1
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Don't get me wrong - $180k, especially right out of college, isn't a bad salary at all.
That being said, a competitive programmer / math competition person going to a T5 college (i.e. USACO Platinum and/or USAMO medalist) would have to perform badly in an interview to "only" make ~180k. Aiming for ~300-400k jobs is the norm, so anything less would seem like a failure.
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academics matter too wrote:
Don't get me wrong - $180k, especially right out of college, isn't a bad salary at all.
Aiming for ~300-400k jobs is the norm, so anything less would seem like a failure.
Ask yourself if your attitude is not contributing to a higher suicide rate among young people.
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I hope they continue to develop as runners but they've already demonstrated entrepreneurial and marketing skill and that doesn't even take into account other academic aptitudes that they possess. They will be very successful.
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Dril wrote:
Got to UO. Run pro until your 35. Work for Nike. Realistically if any of these guys plan on chasing Olympic dreams the Stanford grad with no work experience outside of professional runner and the nau grad look the same 13 years post graduation.
do you think grant fisher has career waiting for him outside of running (I know he has impressive academic credentials). but not sure if those will be very meaningful a decade more after not practicing them.
the Stanford degree only matters for those that don’t make it as a runner. That probably won’t be the young’s (although they have increased their odds of failing to go pro dramatically by choosing stanfraud.)
Don't think this is much of an argument.
If the gaps in your resume were because you were off making Olympic teams, beating everyone else in the country at your event and consistently finishing top 5 in the world, I'm pretty sure employers will understand.
Besides whether he has a global medal or not, his records and sheer excellence at the sport are enough to give him a pretty cushy nest egg of capital so he can call the shots on the next phase of his career. If you're say a lesser pro like Drew Piazza or Drew Windle, I might be a little worried about your pro-running prospects71 -
Over hyped ` wrote:
Stanford has always over recruited, under delivered, and this will be no exception.
Dude, your jealousy and defensiveness aren't a good look. Just because you're proud of State U doesn't mean that Stanford has done any of these things. Oh, and guess what, here are Stanford's last 8 NCAA cross results. They have pretty much lived up to expectations, no? Milt had a few blow-up years early on in his tenure, but (a) that's mostly true of any program over enough years, and (b) a different coach and a different roster, so not remotely relevant to today.
2021 - 5th
2020* - 5th
2019 - 6th
2018 - 5th
2017 - 4th
2016 - 2nd
2015 - 3rd
2014 - 2nd86 -
academics matter too wrote:
Don't get me wrong - $180k, especially right out of college, isn't a bad salary at all.
That being said, a competitive programmer / math competition person going to a T5 college (i.e. USACO Platinum and/or USAMO medalist) would have to perform badly in an interview to "only" make ~180k. Aiming for ~300-400k jobs is the norm, so anything less would seem like a failure.
The average IVY LEAGUE (not Stanford) graduate makes about 70k a year. Please tell us where you get your numbers from.
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ugly green monster.... wrote:
Over hyped ` wrote:
Stanford has always over recruited, under delivered, and this will be no exception.
Dude, your jealousy and defensiveness aren't a good look. Just because you're proud of State U doesn't mean that Stanford has done any of these things. Oh, and guess what, here are Stanford's last 8 NCAA cross results. They have pretty much lived up to expectations, no? Milt had a few blow-up years early on in his tenure, but (a) that's mostly true of any program over enough years, and (b) a different coach and a different roster, so not remotely relevant to today.
2021 - 5th
2020* - 5th
2019 - 6th
2018 - 5th
2017 - 4th
2016 - 2nd
2015 - 3rd
2014 - 2ndNot winning nationals AND not making $300K. How do these kids live with themselves!
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Ghost of Jim Ryun wrote:
good for them!!!! wrote:
Smart choice this shows they are looking outside of the running box. The anticipated schools that the running community thought as possible selections for the Leo and Lex
NAU: Acceptance rate of 83% (Not a resume standout)
Colorado: Acceptance rate of 82% (Not a resume standout)
Virginia: Acceptance rate of 26% (High selective looks good on a resume)
UCLA: Acceptance rate of 12.3% (High selective looks good on a resume)
Stanford: Acceptance rate of 5% (six figure salary post running)
Running is not there future a solid career is and they are setting themselves up nicely. I remember being a high school athlete not at there level but had a few schools interested and money was not really an issue. My dad wanted me to get a good education. I had a D-3 school very interested Bowdoin College and I applied and the coach fought to get me in. The school currently has a 10% acceptance rate. its been around 20 years I have a solid educational background but regret not taking that opportunity when it was offered.
How do you know running is not their future? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but seems a little ridiculous to assume 2 of the best recruits in High School history can't make a good living on running. Especially once you add in how big of a following they have on social media / youtube, they are way more marketable than the average pro distance runner that disappears 9 months of the year.
I wish them the best in whatever path they choose, but not everyone needs to be focused on the 9-5 life.
Your a moron running is nobody's future it is a past time. Unless you think once you hit 30 you are retirement age. How many runners are 62 years old and still at it? Zero!!! This is not the NFL your not going to be a pro runner and retire and go into being a broadcaster!
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good for them!!!! wrote:
Your a moron running is nobody's future it is a past time. Unless you think once you hit 30 you are retirement age. How many runners are 62 years old and still at it? Zero!!! This is not the NFL your not going to be a pro runner and retire and go into being a broadcaster!
And guess what….Christian Simone (np alum) quit competitive running altogether at 18
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Smart guys wrote:
Impressed with the decision. Not just chasing a good team (although it’s an amazing team) but also looking towards their post running future. Maturity.
Right, the off-the-beaten track choice of Stanford. Really eschewing standard markers of mainstream success.
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If you to Northern Arizona you are there to run. Apart from class, there are few other distractions. At Stanford you are surrounded by students who excel in all areas, there are so many other things to explore I find it amazing that Stanford athletes do as well as they do. Look at their roster and note their majors and academic achievements- going to Stanford is a once in a lifetime opportunity. It’s not all about your starting salary.
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I was looking into the whole eligibility issue and in contrast to Stanford's own website, NCAA D1 xc results last year listed Hicks (4th), Robinson (14th), Hart (80th), and Sprout (81st) as freshmen, which would make them juniors (if they don't go pro) when the Youngs arrive. For NAU, Young was listed as a freshman, Bosley as a sophomore, Kusche as a junior, and Hastey and Quax as sophomores. Raff was listed as a junior. So, next year, they're projected top five might be Young (11th), Bosley (13th), Sahlman, Hastey (39th), and Quax (114th). Another Sahlman might help. But NAU has won 5 of 6 xc titles--not always with the best recruits, like Nur and Grijalva--and Stanford has often underwhelmed relative to expectations, so it is not obvious that Stanford will ride two freshmen to the title next year.
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zxcvxcvz wrote:
I was looking into the whole eligibility issue and in contrast to Stanford's own website, NCAA D1 xc results last year listed Hicks (4th), Robinson (14th), Hart (80th), and Sprout (81st) as freshmen, which would make them juniors (if they don't go pro) when the Youngs arrive. For NAU, Young was listed as a freshman, Bosley as a sophomore, Kusche as a junior, and Hastey and Quax as sophomores. Raff was listed as a junior. So, next year, they're projected top five might be Young (11th), Bosley (13th), Sahlman, Hastey (39th), and Quax (114th). Another Sahlman might help. But NAU has won 5 of 6 xc titles--not always with the best recruits, like Nur and Grijalva--and Stanford has often underwhelmed relative to expectations, so it is not obvious that Stanford will ride two freshmen to the title next year.
What about Aidan Puffer? Also, class of 2023 is insane. Maybe one of those impactful guys will go to NAU? Also, Quax ran a 13:41 5K so I wouldn’t be surprised if he closes the gap on the 4th man.
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