Moraa beats Hodgkinson in 800m final

Here is John Woodruff doing something similar (to what Moraa did just now) in the 1936 Olympic 800m final. My friend translated the German at about 19 seconds as "the big giant Black Woodruff":

I like how they are digging the starting holes and starting like sprinters and start/finish in the middle of the straightaway.

This video is in English, has a little more explanation at 1:46, and shows the move more completely:

Harbig vs Woodruff (if no WWII) could have been a great rivalry!

Whenever an athlete is drug tested, one of the drugs they test for is testosterone.

Athletes are typically tested 5 to 10 times throughout the year. Sometimes the drug testers make surprise visits to an athlete's house, sometimes the drug tests happen at a meet.

Yes, there are many thousands of drug tests that happen each year. It's a pretty big worldwide operation.

This is Athing Mu and Brandon Millers burner. Keely will win gold in Budapest.

Some very good points. I liked the race. I haven't seen a last to first finish like that over the final lap of an 800m. As good as Mora is I also really liked Keely's performance. She is a fast and smart runner who knows how to compete.

Yes if Mu loses it will likely be to Moraa.

As has been explained, there is no need to do a genetic test to find 46 XY DSD athletes. The standard test of T levels is, under the current rules, a test for XX and XY. Because the limits for each sex are "generous," any XX or XY who tests outside those limits is either doping, or has one of a handful of rare (and very dangerous) medical conditions, conditions that do not enhance performance. Any athlete who represents herself as female who has male levels of T is either doping or is 46 XY DSD.

The only way that a 46 XY DSD athlete can have T levels outside the male range is by taking hormones to limit T production. As we've seen, taking these hormones means not being competitive with the top XX athletes. That is why all of the 46 XY DSD athletes have moved to events that do not require them to take hormones to "normalize" their T levels.

The current standards and the logic behind them have been discussed at length on line. For example, this article seems fairly accessible, and this WA Press Release goes over the regulations and included links for further reading.

Therefore, they do NOT test for people's XX status prior to them being women's events.

Actually she can. All she needs to do is date a black guy. If she refuses to do this it's obviously she doesn't care about ****** as well, which means she's exactly like her fans.

Time will tell.

Bol, the other athlete these idiots drool over, dates a white guy, so you can take your conclusions about her as well

That statement is totally wrong and misleading.
A test for testosterone is NOT a test for XX chromosome status.
Also, the testosterone ranges are way too generous and subject to manipulation.

The bottom line is that men should NOT be allowed to compete in women's events, and a drug test is NOT a confirmation of chromosome status.

All I'm saying is that every athlete should be properly tested for chromosome status prior to being allowed to compete in women's events, and a testosterone test does not satisfy that requirement.

You're confused. If a female's drug test shows higher than allowed levels of testosterone, they will be suspended for several years for taking a prohibited substance.

However, if a female has higher than allowed levels of testosterone and claim they haven't taken it artificially, they will then be subjected to a genes test to try to exonerate themselves. If the genes test reveals that their high level of testosterone is because they are in fact biologically male but have a DSD condition, then they won't be suspended, but they will be banned from women's races from 400 to mile.

So yes, anyone with a higher than normal female level of testosterone is either suspended, or prohibited from running the 400 to mile. And this happens BEFORE major international competitions, not afterwards.

So anyone claiming that there are still biological males running the 800 in international competitions is just plain wrong.

Again:
A test for testosterone is NOT a test for XX chromosome status.
Also, the testosterone ranges are way too generous and subject to manipulation.

Read my previous posting.
You're who's confusing a drug test with chromosome status and they are NOT the same thing.

1) It would be helpful if, instead of saying the rest of us are idiots, you told us exactly what point you are trying to make? Are you arguing that the current standards/testing regime, as a matter of fact, allows XY DSD athletes to run against XX athletes? Or are you simply arguing that, as a hypothetical, it is possible that XY DSD athletes could evade the rules?

2) If you are arguing that, as a matter of fact, the rules & testing regime allow XY athletes to compete as XX, give us some facts. Can you point us to sources that back up your claim that the T ranges are too generous and subject to manipulation? Or give examples of athletes who have taken advantage of these limits?

3) Finally, can you cite real cases where a T test would not be a good proxy for a genetic test? In other words, can you cite real cases where a T test would give a false negative for XY status for an athlete who was not chemically suppressing their T levels?

4) Do you think the only answer is genetic tests? If so, why don't you just come out and say that?

I now realize that you're not only confused, but you're also dishonest.

I specifically said they are subject to TWO separate tests, one for testosterone and the other for genes.

But you, an unethical person, chopped off what I wrote about TWO tests in your response and dishonestly pretended that I wrote there was only one test, which I never wrote, as everyone can clearly see when they read what I actually wrote.

Stop lying about what other people write.

I think Hodgkinson failed to run her race and got pulled into someone else's tactics, first Moraa, then Goule. She's at her best when running 57 for the second lap, which she can do off a 58/59 first lap. But she's only 20 and still learning. She'll be back, maybe even in a few weeks for Euros

Negative splits are a tough way to run an 800m. You may be right. That may suit Keely. I haven't seen her enough to know. She is very good.

Winners Peyton Manning and Greg Maddux relentlessly studied their opponents.

Hodgkinson seems to be competing with the opponent on the opposite sideline based on what the opponent's got on offer for the day -- running at their level, as opposed to running the best race she for which she has prepared.

The best in the world know how to win a fight when needed. Keely's got a rung or two to climb before she's there; she's not there. Yet.

Pretty interesting development, Keely might be moving up to the 1500m, claims she may not have the speed for the 800m

theguardian.com

Hodgkinson heartbreak as Moraa beats her to Commonwealth Games gold

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/seaningle

Keely Hodgkinson had to settle for another second place after Kenya’s Mary Moraa stunned her with an unconventional surge for gold

Link:www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/aug/06/...

At age 20 she's an Olympic Games, World Champs, and Commonwealth Games silver medalist. She's the European Junior Champion and British National Record holder. She's "there" - just has some loses to a couple of runners with sub 50 speed over 400m. She's been in position to win any of those championship races. She is considered one of the best 800m runners in the world.