Here are 4 just from last year. And this doesn't even talk about Scheving, Crimmins, Kaiser, Cardamone, L. Hilbert, Atkins, Covell, Van Epps:
Evan Hilbert HS 4:30 1600m - at UB 3:48 1500m
Ryan Buzby HS 4:30 1600m, 9:26 3200m - at UB 3:52 1500m, 14:12 5000m
Tom Flannery HS 4:25 1600m, 9:35 3200m - at UB 4:07 Mile, 8:11 3000m
Scott Loforte HS 4:23 1600m, 9:36 3200m - at UB 4:13 Mile, 14:23 5000m, 29:51 10000m
Not a single one of those guys were 9:10-9:25 like you stated. Have they gotten some highly touted recruits who didn't work out? Yes, but they clearly develop the majority.
So which one of these guys listed is the one trying to prop themselves up on letsrun? Tough look for the UB boys here
I have no association with UB whatsoever. I just don't like when I see people make assertions based on false pretenses. And I do like to call people out for it. HS kids have a hard enough time making decisions in their college search, they don't need internet trolls stating "truths" that are not factual at all.
Tyler knows everything about crass country / track and field you know nothing. At least he’s not killing the Mac and cheese your mommy brings down to the basement, we can’t have you going hungry.
Arguably the best track season in school history in his first semester as HC, but go on and talk about how you don't know anything.
Last place in the extremely weak MAAC with only 23 points was one of their best seasons in school history? St. Peters was in 2nd place with 45. You don't remember when Canisius got 5th in 2018 and 2017? When Roach ran 8:49 in the steeplechase and qualified for Regionals?
FYI Canisius only cares about cross country. If they have bad XC seasons and good track seasons, he'll get FIRED.
Arguably the best track season in school history in his first semester as HC, but go on and talk about how you don't know anything.
Last place in the extremely weak MAAC with only 23 points was one of their best seasons in school history? St. Peters was in 2nd place with 45. You don't remember when Canisius got 5th in 2018 and 2017? When Roach ran 8:49 in the steeplechase and qualified for Regionals?
FYI Canisius only cares about cross country. If they have bad XC seasons and good track seasons, he'll get FIRED.
for less than 100 USD per month, coach JS can write a plan that will lead to BIG success in both track and cross.
Arguably the best track season in school history in his first semester as HC, but go on and talk about how you don't know anything.
Last place in the extremely weak MAAC with only 23 points was one of their best seasons in school history? St. Peters was in 2nd place with 45. You don't remember when Canisius got 5th in 2018 and 2017? When Roach ran 8:49 in the steeplechase and qualified for Regionals?
FYI Canisius only cares about cross country. If they have bad XC seasons and good track seasons, he'll get FIRED.
To be fair, they only compete in 4 events, with a pretty small roster. Siena had their best year ever by far and barely beat any of the teams that actually compete in field/sprint events because of the same reason.
But yeah, obviously that's because the focus is on track
Last place in the extremely weak MAAC with only 23 points was one of their best seasons in school history? St. Peters was in 2nd place with 45. You don't remember when Canisius got 5th in 2018 and 2017? When Roach ran 8:49 in the steeplechase and qualified for Regionals?
FYI Canisius only cares about cross country. If they have bad XC seasons and good track seasons, he'll get FIRED.
To be fair, they only compete in 4 events, with a pretty small roster. Siena had their best year ever by far and barely beat any of the teams that actually compete in field/sprint events because of the same reason.
But yeah, obviously that's because the focus is on *track*
I came here for advice on SUNY schools, not for weird 30 year olds to make fun of college kids. Besides, most the people who are commenting on how 'bad' teams are probably couldn't even make a roster.
Canisius isn't even a SUNY school so im not sure why ur talking about them
Absolutely pick a school based on running. You'll enjoy every minute of what should be the best years of your young life, get the most out of something you love while you can, and walk across the graduation stage a happy and stable person. Picking a school just because of academics and ignoring running is a great way to hate your life day to day when the thing you love (running) sucks and you slowly start to hate doing it (and that will affect academics too).
Every school listed on this thread will provide you with a platform to get into a good grad school, or get a good entry level job. If you love running, use your undergrad to get the most out of that before your life transitions to grad school/jobs/family and you won't have that kind of time to focus on a personal passion.
I just noticed this and want to agree in a major way. Unless you're looking for a course of study that only a few places have your college experience is likely to ride on non academic factors. The War of 1812 ends in a draw in the history departments at either Harvard or Salem State. Objects fall at the same constant speed in every physics department but you may be miserable at some places and happy at others. Do you like the area? Do you want to be in a frat or to avoid them like the plague? Do you want to watch big time athletics, etc.
If you love running and want to do it in college you should look for a place where the running is your best fit. I do not know that I'd have lasted at my school if I hadn't been in the cross country team. I'm not someone who'd have gone from room to room in my dorm shaking hands and making friends. I think I'd have been pretty isolated and lonely. But the cross country team gave me a group of friends almost immediately and I was really happy there after at most three weeks.
Of course had I not run I may have attached to some other thing and made friends. But I don't know that.
Absolutely pick a school based on running. You'll enjoy every minute of what should be the best years of your young life, get the most out of something you love while you can, and walk across the graduation stage a happy and stable person. Picking a school just because of academics and ignoring running is a great way to hate your life day to day when the thing you love (running) sucks and you slowly start to hate doing it (and that will affect academics too).
Every school listed on this thread will provide you with a platform to get into a good grad school, or get a good entry level job. If you love running, use your undergrad to get the most out of that before your life transitions to grad school/jobs/family and you won't have that kind of time to focus on a personal passion.
I just noticed this and want to agree in a major way. Unless you're looking for a course of study that only a few places have your college experience is likely to ride on non academic factors. The War of 1812 ends in a draw in the history departments at either Harvard or Salem State. Objects fall at the same constant speed in every physics department but you may be miserable at some places and happy at others. Do you like the area? Do you want to be in a frat or to avoid them like the plague? Do you want to watch big time athletics, etc.
If you love running and want to do it in college you should look for a place where the running is your best fit. I do not know that I'd have lasted at my school if I hadn't been in the cross country team. I'm not someone who'd have gone from room to room in my dorm shaking hands and making friends. I think I'd have been pretty isolated and lonely. But the cross country team gave me a group of friends almost immediately and I was really happy there after at most three weeks.
Of course had I not run I may have attached to some other thing and made friends. But I don't know that.
i think i agree with this as well. i mean, there are limits to it, but I think the running experience, surrounding area, and social life around the campus can definitely be weighed heavier than other variables. obviously, all things should be considered.
Yes, definitely there are limits but most of your college time will not be spent in classes. A friend of mine did his doctoral dissertation on the factors that predict whether or not someone will stay at their college and graduate (excluding finances which is the main reason people don't finish.) He found that people who stay and graduate "connect" to something at their school. It could be a frat or sorority, it could be just a particular group of friends, a club, or it could be an athletic team.
You are crazy. The best coach order is obviously Bing, Stony Brook, Albany, then way down the list is Geneseo. Bing has a soph at 3:45 for 1500 and 14:14 for 5k, and a freshman at 3:46 as well as another soph at 3:50. One additional soph at 1:51 for 800 and another soph at 29:45.
I forgot to mention Bing had a different soph at 8:58 in the steeplechase. By the way, Geneseo on average gets better recruits. Bing has a roster limit of 12 for distance so they have to be selective. Geneseo has an unlimited roster size and more access to academic scholarships, leadership grants, and financial aid. Most geneseo athletes would not have been accepted to Bing
So to summarize, Geneseo gets better and more recruits than the D1 SUNYs because they give big academic scholarships and they have the worst coaching in comparison to any of the D1 SUNY schools...
Umm what world are you two fantasizing about? Geneseo gives zero aid academically. Any aid is because its federal (EOP) or the state excelsior program which applies at every SUNY. There is zero aid for merit said for 1 of 100 kids getting partial through the honors program, and there still is no athletic money. They don't have an unlimited roster, and its not 10 9:30 guys a year rolling in. Its barely one 9:30's guy a year if you took the time to look.
Yet somehow on the current roster they have a 3:44 junior (4:21/9:35 in high school), an 8:08/14:11 junior (9:28 in high school), a 1:51 freshman (1:54 in high school). And recently a 3:42 1500 guy (4:15 in high school) and 4:13/2:04 female (4:42 in high school) who broke the DIII NCAA record.
But the coaching must be poopoo compared the nation powerhouses that are D1 SUNY distance running and Geneseo is only better ever because its an unfair fight in recruiting.
Go to Geneseo. All the D1 SUNY schools have more resources but do less than Geneseo with them. Coach Moore is a phenomenal coach. I ran in the same region at a rival school and remember lots of Paul Short invites where Geneseo would beat Albany, Binghamton, UB, Canisus, and even schools like Cornell head to head.
Division doesn’t matter. You can still show up to Bucknell in the Spring and beat all the D1 runners.
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