I find it scary how many people I know personally and online who call themselves libertarians are celebrating this whole overturning of Roe v Wade. If you call yourself a libertarian but support bans like this of any kind at the federal, state, or local level, then you aren't a libertarian. This goes for firearms, abortion, weed, sex work, businesses choosing not to sell to certain groups, etc.
Libertarians are in favor of government policies that protects its people from (even ones not born yet) - it's why we are in favor of state-run police and military. You're confusing libertarians with anarchists. What was your plan with this post, though? Did you picture a bunch of libertarians reading it and going "Oh that's right, I'm Libertarian I'm not allowed to oppose anti-abortion laws. Thanks barkingsealion, I'll change my attitude now!"
You have a second rate mind. This is not over and in the end there are no winners here. You want babies to be born but you don’t care about them at all after that.
questions for abortion supporters in this thread.
at what point in a pregnancy is abortion WRONG and why?
Is 1 milisecond before it exits the birth canal and is born ok?
while in the birth canal?
right before labor pains?
whats your standard?
If the child is born 3 months premature and I intended on getting a late term abortion but couldn't perform in time can I "abort" the child during the delivery?
Life decisions are not perfect. Like the gun wackos, who are the same as the pro life wackos,, i have no respect for you because you see life as black and white always. Have every felon be able to get a semi automatic weapon with no background check because thats what the constitution meant right? And abortion is wrong on all instances? Even if you have to let the mother die early in pregnancy right? So enough with the whole "milisecond" BS. The pro life and gun rights wackos people should indeed have their own violent, non sensical, conspiracy believing, anti democratic, anti science state. I vote for texas and one of the poor, uneducated, unhealthy southern states.
Only 1.5% of women getting abortions are victims of rape or incest. What's your excuse for the other 98.5% of abortions?
No excuse. Their uterus their choice.
Since the extreme Christian right running the country currently cares SO much about life I will anxiously await a national moratorium on the death penalty. Because these same people who value life so highly surely can see that an absolute punishment such as the death penalty cannot be used in an absolutely flawed justice system.
I find it scary how many people I know personally and online who call themselves libertarians are celebrating this whole overturning of Roe v Wade. If you call yourself a libertarian but support bans like this of any kind at the federal, state, or local level, then you aren't a libertarian. This goes for firearms, abortion, weed, sex work, businesses choosing not to sell to certain groups, etc.
The problem with Roe V. Wade is that the supreme court overstepped it's bounds. The supreme court cannot legalize abortion, CONGRESS makes laws so it's the responsibility of the legislature to legalize abortion.
I find it scary how many people I know personally and online who call themselves libertarians are celebrating this whole overturning of Roe v Wade. If you call yourself a libertarian but support bans like this of any kind at the federal, state, or local level, then you aren't a libertarian. This goes for firearms, abortion, weed, sex work, businesses choosing not to sell to certain groups, etc.
Libertarians are in favor of government policies that protects its people from (even ones not born yet) - it's why we are in favor of state-run police and military. You're confusing libertarians with anarchists. What was your plan with this post, though? Did you picture a bunch of libertarians reading it and going "Oh that's right, I'm Libertarian I'm not allowed to oppose anti-abortion laws. Thanks barkingsealion, I'll change my attitude now!"
Libertarians are the lazy do-nothing version of republicans. The lower IQ version.
The person who leaked this draft decision must have thought it was worth derailing their career. Given the emotions on this subject, I could see a person justifying their actions. There is a very small group with access to opinions in pre-publication.
Only 1.5% of women getting abortions are victims of rape or incest. What's your excuse for the other 98.5% of abortions?
No excuse. Their uterus their choice.
Since the extreme Christian right running the country currently cares SO much about life I will anxiously await a national moratorium on the death penalty. Because these same people who value life so highly surely can see that an absolute punishment such as the death penalty cannot be used in an absolutely flawed justice system.
Well an abortion isn't a hysterectomy so it has nothing to do with the uterus, it's the person growing inside it that's in question.
And the death penalty is justified under religion because it preserves life by killing people who kill others. Not that hard to figure out.
at what point in a pregnancy is abortion WRONG and why?
Is 1 milisecond before it exits the birth canal and is born ok?
while in the birth canal?
right before labor pains?
whats your standard?
If the child is born 3 months premature and I intended on getting a late term abortion but couldn't perform in time can I "abort" the child during the delivery?
A woman has the right to decide what happens inside her womb until birth.
However there are no doctors that recommend late-stage abortions, say at 39 weeks, because at that stage the most effective way of removing a fetus from a womb is through birth.
So although women have a right to an abortion, if it's not medically advisable or even possible to abort a pregnancy, it won't happen.
This isn't true at all. there are doctors that WILL perform this procedure. It's evil personified to abort a child late stage. PURE EVIL.
It involves poking the skull of the child, killing it, and then grabbing pieces of it one by one (arms, head, legs etc).
The fact you think its acceptable for a women to have a choice to abort that late is evil.
But to the earlier question, if its ghastly and horrible to abort at 8.5 months....when is it....ok and why? Why is it morally wrong at 8.5 months but not at 3? I've never hear a pro choice person explain the logic. T
the logic is always...."its a womens choice".
Ok, so you are ok with abortion while the baby is in the birth canal? Are you really ok with that? Isn't it the womens choice?
I find it scary how many people I know personally and online who call themselves libertarians are celebrating this whole overturning of Roe v Wade. If you call yourself a libertarian but support bans like this of any kind at the federal, state, or local level, then you aren't a libertarian. This goes for firearms, abortion, weed, sex work, businesses choosing not to sell to certain groups, etc.
I suppose all the good libertarians should be chanting:
A woman has the right to decide what happens inside her womb until birth.
However there are no doctors that recommend late-stage abortions, say at 39 weeks, because at that stage the most effective way of removing a fetus from a womb is through birth.
So although women have a right to an abortion, if it's not medically advisable or even possible to abort a pregnancy, it won't happen.
This isn't true at all. there are doctors that WILL perform this procedure. It's evil personified to abort a child late stage. PURE EVIL.
It involves poking the skull of the child, killing it, and then grabbing pieces of it one by one (arms, head, legs etc).
The fact you think its acceptable for a women to have a choice to abort that late is evil.
But to the earlier question, if its ghastly and horrible to abort at 8.5 months....when is it....ok and why? Why is it morally wrong at 8.5 months but not at 3? I've never hear a pro choice person explain the logic. T
the logic is always...."its a womens choice".
Ok, so you are ok with abortion while the baby is in the birth canal? Are you really ok with that? Isn't it the womens choice?
I think you need to educate yourself a little about female anatomy. All births, miscarriages and aborted fetus leave through the birth canal. Theres no other way of the fetus leaving unless a C section is performed. How you think a "doctor" (note not a surgeon, no a doctor according to you) would perform an abortion on a baby actually in the birth canal would seem to defy laws of physics, particularly the law of gravity. What most well adjusted people are arguing over is the preservation of a woman's right to abortion before a certain cut off period, not the awful third world, backwards wholesale restriction of abortion that some US states seem to prefer to force upon the unfortunate women who have to live there.
You do realise that a lot of us in Europe do see the US as a bit of a third world country now? Its not really up there with most of Western Europe, you have terrible problems with crime, homelessness, drug use and a really low life expectancy.
Except in rare cases of rape, nobody is forcing pregnancy. I’d wager that rape victims represent less than 2% of abortions, probably less than 1%.
This is not a reason to celebrate for either side. Abortion is a terrible process, but so is giving birth to an unwanted child.
There is no “winning” on either side of this argument. Women’s rights overrule baby’s rights, even if the baby is female? I’m not religious but I think life starts at conception. I think abortion is wrong, but I understand it’s the lesser of 2 evils in certain situations.
Forced pregnancy is rape. Pregnancy without consent is rape. And if its not precisely covered in the legislation, then the legislation should be modernised at the same time that abortion is being curtailed.
For example. Men who pretend they are single when they are married in order to have unprotected sex. Or men who pretend to want relationships in order to get unprotected sex but who then leave women. Or men who sleep around with lots of women not using contraception while lying that they are sleeping with only one women. Unlikely in any of those circumstances that most women would consent to intercourse with them at all if it were not for the deception.
Then forcing a woman who has been lied into without giving proper consent to that pregnancy into carrying an unwanted baby in such circumstances is just about the most extreme deprivation of civil liberties possible.
If you cannot prove there has been no consent to the pregnancy then there should be no restriction on abortion.
You really don't give women much credit for their decision making ability with respect to partner choice. So, basically what I hear you saying is that women are not equal to men and they require special gender specific protections to prevent them from being dominated by men. How very Victorian of you.
i support this because it might stop all the liberals from flooding my red state. stay in california please! stop moving here!
Newsflash......most people are liberal. Most people aren't and do not push discriminatory rules and laws....unless they have an agenda....which is usually discriminatory, biased and prejudiced to begin with. It always starts with a lie to justify their actions.
In all seriousness, whats wrong with letting states restrict or allow abortions how they see fit?
blue states already ban guns (which is CLEARLY STATED in the constitution as a RIGHT). I can't buy certain weapons here in NY and I CANNOT for the life of me own and carry one in NYC.
A red state wants to ban abortions is an issue for liberals?
Another lie from some dumb ass redneck so called conservative. Please tell us which state banned guns?
As for abortions, if you don't want one, then don't have one. Or how about if you are raped by your uncle and become pregnant. According to you hicks, that is just too bad, you have to have the baby.