Three more Kenyan runners busted

I'm going to retype one of the posts that the doped up mod deleted. If it gets deleted again, I'll tweet it at Jonathan Gault and the AIU, mentioning that LetsRun deletes comments like this criticial of Kenyan dopers.

If these three runners 'retired' in 2019, why have they been suspended for whereabouts failures in 2022? Either it means that they only started hiding from testers in 2022 (just when races are returning to normal) or there was no testing in Kenya in 2020 and 2021. Either way, it means the Kenyan doping apologism defences here are worth nothing.

Pay attention to what Canova wrote:

Athletes in top 30 in Kenya are not in any official international whereabouts (WADA and AIU). They are in the National Whereabouts, and with not systemic training (such as happened during the COVID period) don't have the mentality to be "prisoners" of a daily window obliging them to be at home, every day, at the same time. The normal life for a normal person in Kenya doesn't work in that way.

And stop repeating your lie that the three "busts" happened in one day.

So why were their whereabouts failures in 2022, rather than 2020 or 2021? You haven't answered the question.

That statement is so stupid that it can only come from someone who was never directly in athletics in Europe between the 70s and the 90s.

This is why you get downvoted, because of your constant lies, and attacks on African runners, while ignoring all other factors involved in the decline of "the sport" outside of Africa.

I have lost all hope in trying to educate you. You have clearly chosen to stay ignorant.

You say "their". I don't know those 3 athletes personally so how could I know? For all I know they could be doped to the eyeballs and just evaded the tests because they were glowing. But in all likelihood they just didn't care about updating their whereabouts to testers.

But you answer this, were there not Kenyans "busted" in 2020, 2021 and 2022?

Logging out

Coevett, some consideration :

1- If Kisorio and Kimutai have to inform AKAD about their whereabouts, it means that Kenyan Antidopin works very much better than ALL the other National Antidoping Agency in the world. How I said, Kisorio and Kimutai didn't compete in 2020 and 2021, and in their last athletic year (2019) were the kenyan number 33 (Kisorio) with 2:07:06, and number 89 (Kimutai) with 2:09:46.

2- There is no Country in the world testing OOC some athlete, in every discipline, who is number 89 in a domestic list. I don't know why ADAK put Kimutai in its whereabouts, but it's not possible to say tests in Kenya are very poor, that seems to be a widespread opinion among the LR posters, for later discovering that has hundreds athletes of "medium" and "weak" national level in the list for OOC tests.

3- I can confirm that Kimutai and Kisorio retired from running. What Casual Observer says is really ridiculous when speaks about the PB of Kisorio : his 58'46" in Philadelphia was achieved in 2011 and his 2:04:53 in Valencia in 2018. With this way of thinking, we can say that every person 50 years old who was an athlete can still be in the list of OOC tests, because never "officially" informed about the retirement from running.

4- Finally, I'm tired to continue to explain that one thing is to be caught for some substance in your body (doping), where the situation is the same in any Country and for athletes of every different level (you can be a cheater champion, or a cheater amateur : the common denominator is CHEATER). But to think that administrative situation are the same for western people with every technologoical support, and good level of education, and for people with a very low level of education (many of those athletes never finished the primary school), who are not able to communicate via email and sometimes don't have the possibility to do this (for example, no electricity, no internet connection, no computers) and live in rural areas, is something I can't accept, because comes from a total ignorance af the reality. WHEREABOUTS FAILURE IS NOT DOPING FOR SECOND LEVEL KENYAN ATHLETES, it's doping for western athletes who have education and technology for PERSONALY providing to their whereabouts (in Kenya this doesn't happen, managements are the one updating the whereabouts of their athletes).

Says the guy who lies in hundreds of posts since he appeares in this forum 5+ years ago.

To deny that the 'African invasion' (which most fair minded observers understand was at least to some part due to EPO) didn't play a large part in the simultaneous and rapid decline in popularity of the sport in Europe is absurd. Just as to deny that the rapid and increasing raising of the standard and competitiveness of European (and American/Australasian) runners (and hopefully a steady increase in public interest) has nothing to do with the belated improvement in testing in East Africa.

I have nothing of value to add since Renato has done it better I could hope. But I wish ADAK wouldn't waste resources on athletes who've stopped competing.

The same people who claim that a sport dominated by Africans has nothing to do with it ranking in popularity just behind badminton, are no doubt the same people who whine that Jakob only gets public attention because he is European.

Google alerts. He knows about every delinquency in the most obscure Kenyan village.

Seconded.

Speaking for myself, it's both of you. You are a known quantity but I'm afraid I can't say the same for Athletics Illustrated/Kelsall.

His outlet isn't even legit, as you can probably tell by the poorly researched article ridden with factual errors. Just like you, he's been waging a years-long campaign to have Kenya banned like Russia. Look, for instance, at how that piece of hackery of is framed. Because the former #89 Kenyan marathoner refused to bother with his whereabouts two years after he'd stopped competing, that's evidence of Kenya, the country, doping. Not Kimutai, but Kenya. I wonder if the #89 British and Canadian marathoners are even known, let alone tested.

And yet Kenya is never banned from international competition and race organizers keep inviting them over to road races.

The PhD types who refer to themselves as "Dr" are insufferable and thankfully only a small minority of PhDs

Boom.

This is a simple, complete logic and complete answer.

Thanks

LOL, what? Kisorio ran a 2:04 in 2018, at age 29, so you are comparing that to "every person 50 years old who was an athlete"? He is 32 now...

Also, why didn't he inform AKAD of his retirement when they notified him of his first missed test?

Why didn't he inform AKAD of his retirement when they notified him of his second missed test?

Interesting statement.

I concur with "it's doping for western athletes who..."

As for Gagacha, who missed his second test 11 days before running a 2:05 in Paris (so neither farmer nor retired), we find on the AIU web site about his missed test no. 3:

22. On 7 January 2022, the AIU received an explanation filed on the Athlete’s behalf by the Representative, who confirmed that the Athlete had forgotten to inform them that he had decided to remain in Embu, Kenya, instead of returning to the location specified in his Whereabouts information and thus the Athlete’s Whereabouts information had not been updated.

I am quite well informed, thank you.

Show me the more specific question you are referring to. That would be great.

80 athletes for various reasons includes EPO use and other PEDs and includes top-level athletes. Don't kid yourself. If one is basically on top of the world without using PEDs, then it would absolutely off the charts stupid or ill-advised to being to take them. Choice: Continue being one of the best or lose everything. Hmmmm? Right.

Sorry, not buying it.