BIG difference between 4350' and 7K'. Altitude isn't linear. Perhaps you don't think so, but I think your opinion is in the minority.
And hotter? It's 33F in Flagstaff and 48F in Sedona right now, another point for Sedona.
I'm not defending it... perhaps doing their workouts in Flagstaff would be just fine... just saying that's why they do it.
Altitude isn't linear? Do you mean like how the relationship between altitude and air pressure is not linear, but exponential decay?
Anyway, most days in sedona is too warm for me. I'll take the 33 over the 48. Main point about temperature difference was, that when it's warmer your air is less dense. So like year you get higher pressure when you lose elevation, but the higher temps mean the air is less dense, partially negating the reason for descending in the first place.
Its less about air density - that matters more for cycling etc - and more about oxygen. As you said - density will change with temperature. But the main reason for going down from elevation is that you can do hard/fast track work with shorter recovery.
Running fast at elevation puts you in O2 debt and you require longer recovery for same pace (at a higher perceived effort).
Track and school grounds are paid by local, state taxpayers designed for high school kids. Period. I can understand the odd parent or elderly adult walking around lane 8 but:
Why pro athletes are allowed at any public high school track, for free, is the bigger question?
Pro athletes should be banned from all HS tracks. Or if you are training on the grounds which aids in your profession you should be paying a fee at the least.
Sam Parsons desperately grasping for attention with 5 straight tweets about this situation, like the obnoxious attention hog he is. Ruining Drew Hunter's career by chasing clout was never enough for him.
and he wonders why people hate on TME. Dude has the maturity of a 12 year old.
Sam Parsons desperately grasping for attention with 5 straight tweets about this situation, like the obnoxious attention hog he is. Ruining Drew Hunter's career by chasing clout was never enough for him.
A runner making dumb jokes about dumb running drama.
Track and school grounds are paid by local, state taxpayers designed for high school kids. Period. I can understand the odd parent or elderly adult walking around lane 8 but:
Why pro athletes are allowed at any public high school track, for free, is the bigger question?
This is kind of a silly question ... The public (which includes pro runners) pay for the public school track.
Without considering the recent events, public school tracks should be open to everyone outside of school hours. If the pro runners want to go train there after hours/on the weekend, they should be allowed. The track should be reserved for students during school+extracurricular hours.
Now, since the public/pro runners clearly don't respect the school's track, I can understand why they want to ban them. However, I don't agree with the principle that pro athletes should be banned from a public track outside of school hours.
This is why I never fit in with runners. I was a national champion in high school and never fit in with the running nerds in college. They are just weird. Like who poops on the track? Bunch of weirdo nerds who are probably like “oh I can’t run to the restroom because it’ll mess up my workout.” “I can’t take 5:17 rest it has to be exactly 2:30 or I’ll never win an Olympic medal.” Guess what, you’ll never win one anyways so be a decent human being.
Except, of course, the runners in the group in question absolutely were your peers as "national champion in high school."
Reminiscent of that twitter tiff over Fairview HS in Boulder years ago, except that time is was a massive hobby jogger group jumping fences and urinating/defecating behind bleachers and Brad Hudson's indifference to the resulting warnings that messed things up for the true pro runners using that track:
Boulder is closed for service05/11/2016 2:12pm EDT9 years ago
Did anyone see this twitter exchange between Lee Troop and one of the pace coaches for a local running group. Apparently, the track in Boulder everyone works out on, pros and recreational runners, is now closed to the public...
Altitude isn't linear? Do you mean like how the relationship between altitude and air pressure is not linear, but exponential decay?
Anyway, most days in sedona is too warm for me. I'll take the 33 over the 48. Main point about temperature difference was, that when it's warmer your air is less dense. So like year you get higher pressure when you lose elevation, but the higher temps mean the air is less dense, partially negating the reason for descending in the first place.
Its less about air density - that matters more for cycling etc - and more about oxygen. As you said - density will change with temperature. But the main reason for going down from elevation is that you can do hard/fast track work with shorter recovery.
Running fast at elevation puts you in O2 debt and you require longer recovery for same pace (at a higher perceived effort).
I figure when you say that air density matters more for cycling, you're talking about wind resistance. Definitely more of a consideration at cycling speeds.
But the oxygen content is controlled by the density of the air too: 21% of whatever air you're breathing is oxygen. A liter of less dense air has fewer oxygen molecules in it than a liter of more dense air. Although, thinking more, I imagine that it's the O2 partial pressure that's most important for driving oxygen into the body, not the density of O2, so temperature wouldn't matter. I am realizing I don't know what I don't know - is it O2 pressure or O2 density that matters?? Time to go read
Track and school grounds are paid by local, state taxpayers designed for high school kids. Period. I can understand the odd parent or elderly adult walking around lane 8 but:
Why pro athletes are allowed at any public high school track, for free, is the bigger question?
This is kind of a silly question ... The public (which includes pro runners) pay for the public school track.
Without considering the recent events, public school tracks should be open to everyone outside of school hours. If the pro runners want to go train there after hours/on the weekend, they should be allowed. The track should be reserved for students during school+extracurricular hours.
Now, since the public/pro runners clearly don't respect the school's track, I can understand why they want to ban them. However, I don't agree with the principle that pro athletes should be banned from a public track outside of school hours.
I mean first of all, the only people who pay taxes for the track in AZ are local property owners. Crossing county lines means these pros definitely didn't fund the track, and their status as pro runners means they are, by and large, not property owners (in any county). This is the same as me receiving healthcare while on vacation in Canada. I'll benefit from their nice little system, but I sure as hell didn't contribute to it.
There's got to be some kind of lawsuit here. They think they can just get out the Borax and the hot mops and a bit of elbow grease? That track is finished! Who would ever want to run on it again, knowing what happened? What HS coach is going to let their kids run a meet there?
At a minimum, they should sue to get the track repaved, and some secured access installed to those inclined to misuse the facility in this disgusting manner OUT of it.
There's got to be some kind of lawsuit here. They think they can just get out the Borax and the hot mops and a bit of elbow grease? That track is finished! Who would ever want to run on it again, knowing what happened? What HS coach is going to let their kids run a meet there?
At a minimum, they should sue to get the track repaved, and some secured access installed to those inclined to misuse the facility in this disgusting manner OUT of it.
I don’t think they pooped directly on the track. From my understanding it was just within the vicinity of the track.
This really is a case of "don't sht where you eat".
I have sht all over the place on various runs, but I am smart about it. Trash cans at construction sites. Sheltered little entryways of closed businesses in urban areas. All types of wooded areas. Pooped through a chain link fence onto a soccer field because the public restrooms were locked. I have ruined a lot of people's days, and I really don't care, because I don't have another option and I don't know them and I will never see them again. Because I am smart about it.
Take it from me: you can sht wherever you want - you just can't come back to the scene of the crime.
BTC has sponsors.. they can build their own track. Problem solved.
Right? Do NFL teams negotiate with the local HS to get some time on the field after 5pm on tuesdays? No! They build, maintain, and use private facilities. And they still get the taxpayers to fund them! Genius.
BTC has sponsors.. they can build their own track. Problem solved.
Right? Do NFL teams negotiate with the local HS to get some time on the field after 5pm on tuesdays? No! They build, maintain, and use private facilities. And they still get the taxpayers to fund them! Genius.
There's got to be some kind of lawsuit here. They think they can just get out the Borax and the hot mops and a bit of elbow grease? That track is finished! Who would ever want to run on it again, knowing what happened? What HS coach is going to let their kids run a meet there?
At a minimum, they should sue to get the track repaved, and some secured access installed to those inclined to misuse the facility in this disgusting manner OUT of it.
I don’t think they pooped directly on the track. From my understanding it was just within the vicinity of the track.
What, like the long jump pit? How is that any better? The reputation of the facility as a whole is forever stained.
The most likely answer is we have a running version of Team Postal here.
If they are friends they can publicly state they are disappointed in her without getting vicious. I've lost all respect for anyone connected with BTC and root against them now.