Agreed. Good discussion here.
Agreed. Good discussion here.
hawell wrote:
Main reason why she was allowed is because test results came later that they should come, and she had no possibility to appeal before olympics( B sample is not opened yet). After olympics will be decided to disqualify her or not
Under this logic, Lance Armstrong would like his yellow jerseys back. Barry would like his homeruns returned
Joe Daddy wrote:
I was pretty sure letsrun message boards were infested with Russian trolls before this news. At least now I know I wasn’t crazy.
“Maybe it’s time for Russia to have a timeout from the Olympics?” In the words of an NBC reporter.
I'm still trying to understand how Russia was banned from the Summer Olympics but hey come up with some alternate name and showed up anyway.
Seriously, enough with Russia already. Why are they tolerated?
Some of their “clean” athletes complained and the IOC said they could compete for the Russian Olympic Committee. They cannot carry the Russian flag, nor does the Russian National anthem play at award’s ceremonies, but in my mind they still get to compete in the Olympics so they get their cake and get to eat it too. And the kicker is, they are still doping! Oh and the ban is ending in Dec 2022, so Team Russia will be back at the next Summer Olympics and upcoming World Championships.
They severly cut back the number of participants for the summer olympics and there was a lot of restrictions.
The ROC are welcome since the people involved in the Sotji scandal are out, at least most of them.
This is the first doping case involving ROC that I know about since the restrictions started. That could happen to any nation. I am quite happy about the russians being in the olympics even if we (Sweden) lost a medal i the XC-skiing relay. In the races the russians are often tough and honest competitors. Most often they are more inline with fair play than Canada in icehockey for example.
There are apperantly still things to be done but as a whole they seem to have been doing OK. It´s not going to be easier for them to change if the whole olympic team is judged because of one doper. You don´t want to penalize honest athletes.
It has everything to do with age. Once the strict liability rule goes away with the offender being a minor, all bets are off.
Magical burrito wrote:
You don´t want to penalize honest athletes.
Of course you don't. But even if you give RUSADA the benefit of the doubt and believe that its failure to flag the sample for expedited analysis was just an error, do you really think it possesses the competence and integrity to police doping in a country that's notorious for it?
I don't.
She is about to take the ice for her short program.
good decision wrote:
She is about to take the ice for her short program.
Given what is going on it was a staggering performance.
I shared her tears.
Interesting. In the minutes leading up to her program, the commentators (Weir and Lipinsky) did nothing but talk about the drug test and how disgraceful the situation is. Then her program starts and they said absolutely NOTHING during the program. Not a single word. When it was over, all Weir said was something like, "All I can say is that was the short program of Kamila Valieva." And then back to drug talk.
good decision wrote:
Interesting. In the minutes leading up to her program, the commentators (Weir and Lipinsky) did nothing but talk about the drug test and how disgraceful the situation is. Then her program starts and they said absolutely NOTHING during the program. Not a single word. When it was over, all Weir said was something like, "All I can say is that was the short program of Kamila Valieva." And then back to drug talk.
Well there really isn't much to say. The IOC and CAS have turned the entire event into a tragic farce.
JO Coach wrote:
I'm still trying to understand how Russia was banned from the Summer Olympics but hey come up with some alternate name and showed up anyway.
Seriously, enough with Russia already. Why are they tolerated?
I'm in this camp. There should be a world-wide ban on Russian athletes.
Retiredivyrunner wrote:
“Maybe it’s time for Russia to have a timeout from the Olympics?” In the words of an NBC reporter.
My understanding is the IOC is just another UN, but more crooked. That is, Russia tolerates Russia. They have power and china has power in the IOC. So we get Olympics in weird places against the wishes of 90% of the people.
I still say... why cant all the countries (which seem likes 80-90%) that want to cut the crap get together and re boot the Olympics? Nobody will watch the Russian-Chinese-only olympics. Hostile takeover. Take the brand, the logo, the copyrights, the cool song, all of it. Git r done. Lillehammer, Calgary, Vancouver, LA, Sydney, London, Paris...here we come.
It's because she's from Russia. They're banned and still competing and winning medals. And still popping positive for PEDS. And they dare the other countries to boycott them. So we're going to boycott the Olympics because of China. Unbelievable what we're witnessing.
If minors can’t be expected to follow the rules, why are they allowed to complete?
And why are doping rules apparently the only rules minors can’t be expected to follow? If you trip someone during a track race, the officials wouldn’t rule that you did, in fact, cut in when you didn’t have room, but you can’t be DQed due to your age. Seems to me that doping rules should be more stringent than general rules of competition, not less stringent.
It's figure skating. It's not even a real athletic event. It's like finding out someone on You Think You Can Dance took a PED.
So what?
why is this a thing? wrote:
If minors can’t be expected to follow the rules, why are they allowed to complete?
And why are doping rules apparently the only rules minors can’t be expected to follow? If you trip someone during a track race, the officials wouldn’t rule that you did, in fact, cut in when you didn’t have room, but you can’t be DQed due to your age. Seems to me that doping rules should be more stringent than general rules of competition, not less stringent.
As WADA rules apply to all sports at all levels then no minors would ever be allowed to do sport.
It is not a case of not being expected to follow the rules but rather some form of mitigation if they don’t.
Can you explain to me me how a 15 yr old can be held responsible for what they are fed in their house.
Right. The US started all of this bs, now it has to live with it. “Passionate kissing”. Give me a break.
The legal construct onto which this adjudication seems to map is that of the injunction, considering the “irreparable harm” language used. It is really an equitable construct, rather than a strict legal one. A plausible explanation for the source of the TMZ would support the grant of equitable relief, as it would factor into the consideration of the balance of equitable.
Valieva now leads, after the short program. The commentary provided by Tara and Johnny was predictably insipid. Johnny didn’t even know the name of the ruling body CAS, and Tara was paralyzed by the confusion that resulted from her ignorance on the issue. Pathetic. They should stick to their enjoyably shallow role as infotainers. The tide went out, and they were swimming naked.
i still feel for the 15-year-old kid. This is what the F you get, a 15-year-old girl sobbing in what should be the happiest moment of her life. F Tara and Johnny and the skating establishment, what a bunch of turncoats and hypocrites. They were all too ready to jump on board the greatness of the Russian women’s program while it served their purposes and biases. Now they have thrown the virgin into the volcano.
All you ahole doping apologists are the same. You turn a blind eye to the brutality of the collateral damage. Take a good hard F’ing look at that kid sobbing at center ice. THAT is why I will never give up the fight.
F you.