carter limbert wrote:
#goodforthesport
Yeah I like it. Americans have become soft. It’s one of most advance countries but also one of the laziest. Education is not valued and there’s a lack of morality.
These smucks look for short cuts. But run 100 miles per week, drink domestic beer, and love women. That’s what the real American man of the old would do. lol
Bashy wrote:
Americans are delicate people. The people of perpetual outrage. They will overreact to this well-placed slam by Kerr (Scottish).
Being that I am an American, it seems Bashy must firmly believe that my thoughts represent 330,000,000 other Americans. To that idiot, we Americans must all be the same. So when Bashy writes that "Americans are delicate people", he or she is including me. Yep, it might be very true that I am a "delicate person". Then again, I might be just the opposite. Nevertheless, thank you for pigeonholing me and 330,000,000 other humans, Bashy.
I guess Bashy believes that because Joe Biden is in the White House, he won both 100% of the popular vote and 100% of the electoral votes, since all American voters think alike. (Oh, right, Donald Trump thinks otherwise.)
By the way, Bashy, you should refine your stereotypes. But here are a few others for you...and all the others who buy into these stupid stereotypes. ALL people from Alabama are Baptists. ALL people from California are liberal tree huggers who smoke weed and listen to the Grateful Dead. ALL people from the other side of my street are illegal aliens. ALL Bowerman Track Club distance runners are dopers. Ugh! The things stupid people espouse on message boards! And it's not just Bashy.
High hopes wrote:
snoresvilles wrote:
One bronze medal. Let me know when Scotland/UK/AUS replicate the success that USA has had at 1500m the last 15 years.
The US has had, what, two Olympic medals since Jim Ryun was running? And one of those was in the flukiest 1500 in history when running an elite women's time was good enough for gold. Come back when you have talent like Coe, Cram, Ovett, and Elliott. You'll also note that the UK had three men in the last Olympic final and Aus had two. The US had one. Hocker is a big talent, but I wouldn't put a lot of money on any other American men making the World Champs final this year.
In the last 15 years, the US has 6 medals in global championships (only counting outdoors to be kind) in Men's 1500m:
2 Gold, 2 Silver, 2 Bronze
UK and AUS?
1 Bronze. Congrats guys.
The fact that this thread is chock full of Americans losing their sh-t over a joke just proves him right. It's sad how my countrymen have become such fragile overgrown children who can't take a playful jab.
GreatDane1 wrote:
Concupiscurd wrote:
Great quote from Kerr about 40 seconds in --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuIGLeRyrkOne word so many people are overlooking here is "context". I'm sure Ollie wasn't serious when he said that about American athletes to Beamish. It would have just been a bit of light hearted banter before a big race to get laugh and take the edge off their nerves. I know Beamish has been incredibly thankful for the opportunity to get a track a scholarship
to the U.S as it has opened up many doors for him which he wouldn't have been able to get had he stayed in New Zealand.
Hard agree. It's just how Aussies and Brits talk to each other, we don't do sincerity, only detachment, banter, and irony. These are cultures where the word c*nt is used as a term of affection.
Kerr has made it clear numerous times that running in the NCAA was his primary goal, partly because he wasn't bright enough to get into a British university, but also because he knew it was a great path to develop as a runner.
snoresville wrote:
High hopes wrote:
The US has had, what, two Olympic medals since Jim Ryun was running? And one of those was in the flukiest 1500 in history when running an elite women's time was good enough for gold. Come back when you have talent like Coe, Cram, Ovett, and Elliott. You'll also note that the UK had three men in the last Olympic final and Aus had two. The US had one. Hocker is a big talent, but I wouldn't put a lot of money on any other American men making the World Champs final this year.
In the last 15 years, the US has 6 medals in global championships (only counting outdoors to be kind) in Men's 1500m:
2 Gold, 2 Silver, 2 Bronze
UK and AUS?
1 Bronze. Congrats guys.
Let me introduce you to a little concept called selection bias
greg kirby wrote:
The fact that this thread is chock full of Americans losing their sh-t over a joke just proves him right. It's sad how my countrymen have become such fragile overgrown children who can't take a playful jab.
A joke? I hope Bashy doesn't quit his or her day job, because comedy ain't in the stars. Playful jab, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaSr6mpkTIIHigh hopes wrote:
snoresville wrote:
In the last 15 years, the US has 6 medals in global championships (only counting outdoors to be kind) in Men's 1500m:
2 Gold, 2 Silver, 2 Bronze
UK and AUS?
1 Bronze. Congrats guys.
Let me introduce you to a little concept called selection bias
Well, quite
Everyone knows the best way of sampling this is simply by taking the stats from 1980 on their own.
corraleyejoe wrote:
NZ and Scotland each have a pop of 5 million.
Tennessee alone is 7 million.
Kerr is right. They're much tougher racers.
There is plenty of talent over here. You are just too precious of your reputation to race.
Except for Athing Mu.
She doesn't care what you think of her, as long as her situation is getting better.
It would be interesting to have a more detailed measurement of things like this, i.e. the proportion of people in a given country participating in different sports, or any sports at all.
It might also be interesting to compare places and their historical/current running prowess based only on their populations. Hong Kong with 7,496,981, Laos with 7,275,560, Paraguay with 7,132,538, Bulgaria with 6,948,445, Libya with 6,871,292 , Tennessee with 6,975,218. All very different places.
How do the demographics line up? I imagine you'd only get a half-decent chance at guessing if you include enough variables - wealth, health, lifestyle, sport choice, climate, geography, international sports involvement/diplomacy, and who knows what else.
Most important to me is that we still have somebody like Kerr in the sport, willing to make playful jabs and keep from being too serious about how we talk about running (versus being serious about the training, which I'm all in favor of).
That said, it could be that I'm backing the billy pot just because I have the same last name.
High hopes wrote:
snoresville wrote:
In the last 15 years, the US has 6 medals in global championships (only counting outdoors to be kind) in Men's 1500m:
2 Gold, 2 Silver, 2 Bronze
UK and AUS?
1 Bronze. Congrats guys.
Let me introduce you to a little concept called selection bias
Selection bias doesn’t quite fit here.
Randomization - not really possible in this discussion…
So… then we shoot for true representation…
Last 15 years - representative
Outdoor global champs - representative
🤷🏽♂️
snoresvilles wrote:
Let me know when they replicate American success in championships.
Great Britain has the most men's gold medals and total medals in the Olympic 1500. Which championship are you referring to exactly?
LappedMiler wrote:
Bashy wrote:
Americans are delicate people. The people of perpetual outrage. They will overreact to this well-placed slam by Kerr (Scottish).
Being that I am an American, it seems Bashy must firmly believe that my thoughts represent 330,000,000 other Americans. To that idiot, we Americans must all be the same. So when Bashy writes that "Americans are delicate people", he or she is including me. Yep, it might be very true that I am a "delicate person". Then again, I might be just the opposite. Nevertheless, thank you for pigeonholing me and 330,000,000 other humans, Bashy.
I guess Bashy believes that because Joe Biden is in the White House, he won both 100% of the popular vote and 100% of the electoral votes, since all American voters think alike. (Oh, right, Donald Trump thinks otherwise.)
By the way, Bashy, you should refine your stereotypes. But here are a few others for you...and all the others who buy into these stupid stereotypes. ALL people from Alabama are Baptists. ALL people from California are liberal tree huggers who smoke weed and listen to the Grateful Dead. ALL people from the other side of my street are illegal aliens. ALL Bowerman Track Club distance runners are dopers. Ugh! The things stupid people espouse on message boards! And it's not just Bashy.
With that prose, it's almost like you are trying to prove my point, LappedMuller. Drink some cranberry juice and take a few Geritol. We know your type. We know your type only too well.
As a very wise man once said "No one knows when Him come calling . . . ."
the macdaddy og yoo wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Let me introduce you to a little concept called selection bias
Selection bias doesn’t quite fit here.
Randomization - not really possible in this discussion…
So… then we shoot for true representation…
Last 15 years - representative
Outdoor global champs - representative
🤷🏽♂️
Selection bias isn't just about randomisation, it occurs any time you select on the outcome. Outdoor global champs is a fair scope. Just relying on results from the last 15 years? That's selected to secure a desired outcome.
the last 15 years aren’t even remotely relevant to the discussion. Kerr is talking about right now, him against the current crop Americans. and he’s right when he says he’s got them covered.
thoughts and prayers wrote:
the last 15 years aren’t even remotely relevant to the discussion. Kerr is talking about right now, him against the current crop Americans. and he’s right when he says he’s got them covered.
wow. he is no. 3 in the world. the same could be said about every country in the world, minus two.
Ollie Hoare does not happen to be on his level either. who cares about january.
Teare and Hocker also would have beaten Kerr last winter.
There’s been 1 year in Josh’s life that UK performed better at 1500m on the world stage - if anyone has “selection bias” it’s him.
It's kinda a weird boast because if they actually want to "act" like World Top 5 runners they are they should be on the Diamond League circuit facing Jakob, Tim, Katir, McSweyn, as well as the up-and-coming Kenyans like Kipsang and Wightman. I'd level the same criticism for Hocker/Teare as well if they only do Pre Classic and don't go to Monaco. You should do Monaco and one more big meet out there at least if you're announcing yourself as an A-lister. Kerr running D-level meets stomping 3:35 guys on high school tracks is impressive but not in line with this sort of comment. Hoare ran some after and a pretty weak Gateshead race before but nitpicking-wise maybe it was too little too late. Would love to see him test himself more. Now there're 3 top 10 in the World guys in the USA so if this is what they want to do they can, but outside of Pre what race will all 3 show up to?
Congrats Hoare and Kerr!
LOL!!!!! HOW DID THIS WORK OUT OLLIE