Docs and scientists of letsrun, please read this article and tell me if what he is writing about Covid-19 treatment is fake news

rojo wrote:

Ok. I edited my initial post to make it clear that an unvaccinated person sent me the link and I"m wondering what scientists think of it so I can write him back and help him do the safest thing.

Hmmm. So how will you decide to pick the right scientist? On one side you have politically charged, dogmatic, biased, mostly rabid leftist scientists that have lost all credibility and on the other you have the smeared scientists. How do you choose?

It hasn’t! Send me the link where Fauci and company debate this situation face to face. Has anyone seen this occur? When and where??

rojo wrote:

I get what you are saying, but it's very hard to know who to trust.

What I don't like about the whole Covid-19 thing is people act like those who won't get vaccinated are 100% automatically really stupid and evil. Do people not understand why many people are skeptical? While I think they are wrong, I get where the sentiment comes from. . . .

So what do you think it is important that Covid vaccine skepticism be overcome and what do you think should be done about it?

Would you agree that there is an active effort to promote fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) about the Covid vaccines from persons with primarily political motivations and, if so, what should be done about that?

Never constructed aTreatment Plan?

WSJ 21DEC2021

How Fauci and Collins Shut Down Covid Debate

They worked with the media to trash the Great Barrington Declaration.

In public, Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins urge Americans to "follow the science." In private, the two sainted public-health officials schemed to quash dissenting views from top scientists. That's the troubling but fair conclusion from emails obtained recently via the Freedom of Information Act by the American Institute for Economic Research.

The tale unfolded in October 2020 after the launch of the Great Barrington Declaration, a statement by Harvard's Martin Kulldorff, Oxford's Sunetra Gupta and Stanford's Jay Bhattacharya against blanket pandemic lockdowns. They favored a policy of what they called "focused protection" of high-risk populations such as the elderly or those with medical conditions. Thousands of scientists signed the declarationif they were able to learn about it. We tried to give it some elevation on these pages.

That didn't please the lockdown consensus enforced by public-health officials and the press. Dr. Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health until Sunday, sent an email on Oct. 8, 2020, to Dr. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

"This proposal from the three fringe epidemiologists . . . seems to be getting a lot of attention and even a co-signature from Nobel Prize winner Mike Leavitt at Stanford. There needs to be a quick and devastating published take down of its premises," Dr. Collins wrote. "Is it underway?"

These researchers weren't fringe and neither was their opposition to quarantining society. But in the panic over the virus, these two voices of science used their authority to stigmatize dissenters and crush debate. A week after his email, Dr. Collins spoke to the Washington Post about the Great Barrington Declaration. "This is a fringe component of epidemiology," he said. "This is not mainstream science. It's dangerous." His message spread and the alternative strategy was dismissed in most precincts.

do it once.... wrote:

rojo wrote:

Ok. I edited my initial post to make it clear that an unvaccinated person sent me the link and I"m wondering what scientists think of it so I can write him back and help him do the safest thing.

Hmmm. So how will you decide to pick the right scientist? On one side you have politically charged, dogmatic, biased, mostly rabid leftist scientists that have lost all credibility and on the other you have the smeared scientists. How do you choose?

"Hmmm", indeed!

"Politicall charged, dogmatic, biased, mostly rabid leftist Scientists that have lost all credibility and on the other hand..."

Wow! Some objectivity! How does it feel to be unpolitically charged, open-minded, unbiased and rational? And non-smearing? Must be invigorating to be flying high on the Right.

Your missing a key point made by this article, practically no doctors are prescribing this drug and CMS has not approved it for payment. This is completely different than the Covid vaccines. 99.99% of MDs recommend the drugs and all of the relevant agencies and professional organizations are unanimous in their recommendation too. Nobody credible is resigning in protest. The regulatory agencies do a decent job, but they blow it or submit to political or economic or patient advocacy pressure on occasion, but there are in fact many of layers of checks and balances as to whether a therapy or intervention is widely recommended and adopted. You cannot point to this Alz drug to undermine the approval and Rec to be vaccinated.

KTHXBAI wrote:

Wow. Just wow.

Stupid post. Just stupid. See, we can all play that game.

Why is this so hard for the fascists to dunderstand? Two years into this even with the jab, is any of this working? Any of it? We are going back into lockdowns and mandating this koolaid. Quit it with your gaslighting. Thankfully people are looking past you barking dogs and questioning who is at the other end of the leash.

adductor_injured wrote:

KTHXBAI wrote:

Wow. Just wow.

Stupid post. Just stupid. See, we can all play that game.

I’m sorry that public health is a game to you

Brojo Bot wrote:

adductor_injured wrote:

Stupid post. Just stupid. See, we can all play that game.

I’m sorry that public health is a game to you

Oh looky here! The knight we all wanted but don't deserve. Pat yourself on the back. Again and again.

It is abundantly clear after all of this time. None of this is working. But, yet we are doubling down on the same things. How is this scientific? How about we try different things. Like identifying early treatments. Or how about acknowledging this "vaccine" isn't working and going back to the drawing board and come up with a real one? Why does it have to be the THIS jab or nothing?

I've spent hours pouring over data to figure out where this guy is coming from. I just don't see what he sees. You have to cherry pick pretty blatantly to think that ivermectin does anything for COVID( on the other hand it doesn't appear to be harmful).

Steroids seem to help for critically ill patients. They do more harm than benefit for everyone else.

Monoclonal antibodies were minimally helpful for previous variants, probably completely useless for omicron. It took 30 or 40 patients to receive Monoclonals to avoid one hospitalization. Definitely no wonder drug.

Vitamin D deficiency is associated with worse outcomes, but replacing it doesn't improve outcomes...meaning it's likely a surrogate marker for overall poor health.

Paxlovid and molnupiravir do seem to be minimally helpful, but extremely limited in supply and need to be given very early on.