We couldn’t make this up if we tried: Transgender UPenn woman swimmer beaten by transgender man Yale swimmer

Expert? On this site? Not on this thread. You must be new!

There can no longer be any doubt. The world has gone mad. One can only imagine that if there is life in outer space - and there is no question that they would be smarter than us because there is no way they could not be - that they will give earth a wide berth in their planetary travels and wait for our planet to implode.

runnersweb wrote:

There can no longer be any doubt. The world has gone mad. One can only imagine that if there is life in outer space - and there is no question that they would be smarter than us because there is no way they could not be - that they will give earth a wide berth in their planetary travels and wait for our planet to implode.

🙄🙄🙄

Oh please.

If there is life out there, it’s possible they also have varied genders. Even on this planet, we have animals that can change sex, some have one male and 2 hermaphordite genders within the same species, one species even has 7 genders.

We aren’t all that unique. We never have been. People just talk about it more openly now.

rojo wrote:

I would like to see an interview of the Yale swimmer to see what she thinks about the Penn swimmer being allowed to compete in the female category. It would be interesting to see what she has to say about it as the trans Yale swimmer is not taking the hormones most trans people take so she can compete (admittedly in an easier division). Meanwhile, the trans Penn swimmer is taking hormones so she can compete in the same easier division.

You're a journalist, Rojo. You are perfectly free to reach out and ask the athlete for an interview.

seattle prattle wrote:

2:18 at the casino (SLU grad) wrote:

Good for him, I mean her, no him, no her, yeah her.

I would not assume which pronoun they prefer, actually, and possibly they would not prefer either.

Can't we make some reasonable assumptions by someone signing up for a women's or men's race??? It was like this BS when people got offended by Kara calling Niki Hiltz 'she'... well SHE is consistent with a WOMENS only race . It is how you speak English.

I sought advice from '90s Britpop, they said

Girls who want boys

Who like boys to be girls

Who do boys like they're girls

Who do girls like they're boys

Always should be someone you really love

Which I hope clears things up.

bio Domer wrote:

Anyone else think that the brojos need to find a new hobby?

Their new hobby is starting threads. They used to be to good for us, now........not so much.

Is this rojo posting under wejo's handle?

joed|rty wrote:

He had his breasts removed which would affect his hormone levels (decreased estrogen and progesterone levels). Not sure how those would impact performance.

What? The claim that double mastectomy would lead to decreased estrogen and progesterone is as nonsensical as another LRC poster's insistence on another recent thread that it's easy for pregnant women to cause ourselves to miscarry, and most women have done so.

In girls and women, the sex hormones estrogen and progesterone come mainly from the female gonads, the ovaries, and to a far lesser extent from the adrenal glands. Not from our breasts! Fat cells throughout the body also make trace amounts of estrogen, but fat cells in girls and woman make testosterone too. Female breast tissue usually is full of estrogen and progesterone receptor cells, but that means girls' and women's breast tissue is very sensitive to those hormones - not that our breast tissue makes them.

In girls and women past menarche with normal female endocrine systems, hormone levels and metabolism, estrogen is the steroid hormone that plays the major role in building and maintaining muscle, and it has myriad other effects that probably influence sports performance too. So lowering estrogen would likely have a negative impact on a female athlete's performance. The role of progesterone is less clear.

However, it's important to note that sex hormones in females are not released, nor do they function, the way the main male sex hormone testosterone does in males.

In males, testosterone levels will vary over the course of each 24 hour day, but day after day over the course of a month they will remain pretty steady. Whereas in girls and women who are past menarche, there are enormous fluctuations in estrogen and progesterone over the course of the 28-day menstruation- ovulation cycle. This means that each week in every cycle, and often each day, girls and women are operating with different levels of sex hormones, and a different mix and ratio of sex hormones relative to one another. At certain points in the cycle, the change in the levels of estrogen and progesterone, and the ratios of them, from one day to the next is or can be dramatic.

There are many unanswered questions about the impact of estrogen and progesterone on girls' and women's sports performance because the subject of how female athletes are affected by our female physiology and female hormones has not been studied much. The focus of sports science has always been on how the main male sex hormone, testosterone, and other androgens affect athletic performance. Research into the impact of testosterone and other androgens on sports performance has shed a great deal of light on how male sex hormones affect normally-developed male athletes, male DSD athletes, and female athletes who dope. But it's done nothing to increase understanding of how female sex hormones affect female athletes.

In fact, since elite women's athletics were opened up to XY DSD athletes in the 1990s, a great deal of attention in women's sports has been diverted away from studying the impact of female sex hormones on female athletes with female gonads, female anatomy and female physiology. Instead, enormous effort has been put into looking at the impact of the main male sex hormone, testosterone, on biologically male DSD athletes with testes that pump out male levels of testosterone who've been permitted to compete in the women's category. Like Semenya, Niyonsaba, Wambui, Chand and the newcomers from Namibia, Mboma and Masilingi.

Now that so many normally-developed males who say they "identify as" girls and women want to horn in on the female category of sports like so many XY DSD athletes have been allowed to do in recent decades, even more attention is being paid to the amount and impact of the testosterone produced by the testes of males competing in women's sports today, unfortunately. Meanwhile, the impact of female sex hormones on female athletes with female anatomy and female physiology in women's sports continues to be pretty much ignored.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Honestly, this is really $hitty for real biological female athletes. They are just getting pushed to the side by these male-female hybrids in the name of “wokeness”.

I feel bad for the people doing permanent damage to their bodies because they're addicted to this wacky ideology.

inconsistent wrote:

rojo wrote:

I would like to see an interview of the Yale swimmer to see what she thinks about the Penn swimmer being allowed to compete in the female category. It would be interesting to see what she has to say about it as the trans Yale swimmer is not taking the hormones most trans people take so she can compete (admittedly in an easier division). Meanwhile, the trans Penn swimmer is taking hormones so she can compete in the same easier division.

You're a journalist, Rojo. You are perfectly free to reach out and ask the athlete for an interview.

lol you think Rojo is a journalist? He’s a trust fund kid and an internet troll

It is time to stop the BS where everyone has to pretend that someone is what they "identify" as. This is not something you get to just choose. Society doesn't have to accept you as something you're not.

We all know by instinct that it's a charade. There's no reason someone shouldn't get to lie to their own self, but just FFS stop trying to make everyone else lie too. That is cult dynamics.

Brojo Bot wrote:

inconsistent wrote:

You're a journalist, Rojo. You are perfectly free to reach out and ask the athlete for an interview.

lol you think Rojo is a journalist? He’s a trust fund kid and an internet troll

I'm trying to encourage the poor child lol.

2:18 at the casino (SLU grad) wrote:

Okay, the one born with a penis doesn't belong in a women's sport.

phew.

For a second I thought you said.

"One born of a penis doesn't belong in a women's sport."

CrispyChicken wrote:

So, if you cut off your boobies, how much does that reduce your drag in the water?

Ask Shelby Houlihan.

She needs some attention

Brojo Bot wrote:

inconsistent wrote:

You're a journalist, Rojo. You are perfectly free to reach out and ask the athlete for an interview.

lol you think Rojo is a journalist? He’s a trust fund kid and an internet troll

Don’t encourage him. He needs a muzzle not a microphone

Henig had the hydrodynamic advantage (breasts removed).

Dwightarm wrote:

🙄🙄🙄

Oh please.

If there is life out there, it’s possible they also have varied genders. Even on this planet, we have animals that can change sex, some have one male and 2 hermaphordite genders within the same species, one species even has 7 genders.

We aren’t all that unique. We never have been. People just talk about it more openly now.

Animals don't have genders. Gender means the set of stereotyped characteristics, behaviors, personality traits, mannerisms and modes of dress and self-expression associated with each of the two sexes in human cultures. Sex = male and female; gender = masculine and feminine. Sex is binary and biological. Gender is a spectrum and it's cultural, social and political. Today, there are innumerable genders and gender identities, but still only two sexes.

If an animal belong to a sexually reproducing species like most of the earth's complex organisms do, the animal will have a sex - and in nearly every case, the sex will be either male and female.

Yes, a few select animal species out of the known 8.7 million animal species such as clownfish are hermaphrodites. Or rather, the male members of a few species have the capacity to become sequential hermaphrodites and play the female role in reproduction in situations where all the females have died off or are scarce. In many sexually-reproducing plant species, both the male and female parts can be found within a single organism too. Doesn't mean this is true of humans. Doesn't have anything to do with humans at all.

Some animal species also can reproduce asexually by cell division, copying, fragmentation and/or spores. Some animal species that have evolved the capacity to reproduce sexually also still maintain the ability to reproduce in another way, so if sexual reproduction fails they have another fallback means of perpetuating their species. But none of this has anything to do with humans or any other mammals.

Humans aren't clownfish, nor do humans have the capacity for hermaphroditism. Like most complex animals and plants, humans can only reproduce sexually - and reproducing sexually always requires a female gamete, an ovum or egg, and a male gamete, a sperm. There's no other way to do it.

There's never been a human hermaphrodite, meaning a person capable of producing both ova and sperm. Not even sequentially. Pointing to animal species that have the capacity for sequential hermaphroditism as evidence that humans can change sex is like saying that because birds can fly, fish can live under water and fungi can reproduce in multiple asexual ways, this means humans can too.

With the use of Big Pharma hormones, hormone suppressants, modern surgeries and cosmetic procedures, male and female humans can alter their bodies to make themselves appear and sound more like the opposite sex than their actual sex. Male and female people alike can also give the superficial impression that they are the opposite sex through hair styles, clothing and costumes, make up, wigs, prostheses, etc and by making efforts to change their mannerisms, movements and vocal pitch and tone and speech patterns. Males and females also can have have their gonads removed and their genitals reconfigured. Males can "tuck" and females can wear "packers."

Some parents intent on having a trophy "trans child" today go so far as to "tuck" and tape up the genitals of their little boys, and to make their little girls wear prosthetic penises and balls. Silicone "packers" are available for girls under 5

today, and crocheted and knit ones for younger girls can be easily be obtained through Etsy or from gender vendors like this:

But none of this results in anyone actually changing their sex or their kids' sex.

Similarly, some people claim to be neither sex, and with the use of the aforementioned means, some today are trying to rid themselves of all sex characteristics. "Genital nullification" is one of the new kinds of surgeries being offered by the gender vendor industry today. At the same time, some females who have fake penises surgically constructed today elect to keep their vaginas, and some males keep their dicks and balls whilst having a cavity created in their pelvis that they call a vagina. None of this changes their sex.

Depending on which source you go by, gender vendors say there are anywhere from 58 to 72 to 100 to more than 200 "recognized" genders today - and more are being invented and introduced every day. Still only two sexes, though.