Undeniable UFO footage captured in Tampa, FL on 12/25/21

I've found the ET UFO crowd to be a bunch of nuts until now. But after seeing that video I am totally converted. The alien invasion must be imminent.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

I've found the ET UFO crowd to be a bunch of nuts until now. But after seeing that video I am totally converted. The alien invasion must be imminent.

What’s your weapon of choice against “electrical bodies” 😉🛸

Just as hoax videos are a distraction from advanced aliens likely existing, so too are pseudo-scientific "explanations" of how unknown phenomena work a distraction from the fact that those phenomena might exist.

I see this all the time in paranormal/alien/conspiracy theory/whatever arguments - people trying (and miserably failing) to prove their point with flawed "scientific" "reasoning". It's a huge turn-off. The more science one fakes, the less likely I am to believe their point. Science has unknowns in it, that's fine, just admit that your theory also has holes in it instead of presenting pseudo science as fact and I'll be much more likely to entertain your ideas.

You’re basically committing the fallacy of appealing to authority. Mr. Wiggins (great name) is not, in your eyes, an authority, so what he writes is automatically “pseudoscience fakery” — did you read and understand his post? Where exactly is the pseudoscience? Pinpoint please! Or, are you yourself unqualified to comment on actual theoretical details? (Totally ok) How can he turn you on? 🤏😜

I suggest you go read up on your logical fallacies before accusing people of using one. To which authority did I appeal? The scientific method? Physics?

I did read the post. Maybe I'm just too dumb, but I see several large flaws where incorrect assumptions were made or things swept under the rug:

- The speed of light limit pertains to linear velocity. Rotational velocity is a totally different concept, each object of different size and shape will have its own maximum rotational velocity completely unrelated to c.

- The assumption that an imaginary time dimension exists in our physical reality is unproven at best, and suspect.

- The assumption that a quantum phenomenon of jumping from below c to above c exists is speculative at best.

- The assumption that a large object could exhibit a quantum phenomenon is highly questionable

I could probably come up with more issues, but these made me want to stop scrutinizing it

Atta girl! Now we have some meat to munch on 😉 Mr. Wiggins? Shall I respond?

So I definitely agree that the lights above the plane are UFO's. They are because the plane is identifiable (as a commercial/freight airplane) and whatever else is there is not identifiable because we don't 100% really know what it is. So yeah it's unidentifiable, it's flying and it's an object - an Unidentified Flying Object.

But just because it's a UFO doesn't mean it's from outer space being controlled by Gordon Shumway (and I know you aren't specifically saying it's "aliens") - I believe there are plenty of flying objects in this world we can't simply identify. So yeah, nice footage - that's about it.

It's also a load of bollocks

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

So I definitely agree that the lights above the plane are UFO's. They are because the plane is identifiable (as a commercial/freight airplane) and whatever else is there is not identifiable because we don't 100% really know what it is. So yeah it's unidentifiable, it's flying and it's an object - an Unidentified Flying Object.

But just because it's a UFO doesn't mean it's from outer space being controlled by Gordon Shumway (and I know you aren't specifically saying it's "aliens") - I believe there are plenty of flying objects in this world we can't simply identify. So yeah, nice footage - that's about it.

Well, golly! This is the fairest, sanest comment in the thread! Tickle my curiosity and hypothesize: is this UFO/UAP organic, metallic, photonic?

Hopi wrote:

sandia wrote:

I’m shocked to see this from you, Wiggins- literally, blown away. Tip of the hat.

It's also a load of bollocks

The Hopi Natives might disagree! Can you stick your fingers in the bollocks and pull out the pearl?

Lame video. It's just a couple of common effects that I've seen in my own nighttime videos. The pulsing of the light is due to the camera refocusing and adjusting its light exposure. The entire picture pulses, not just the light. The ball shape is an artifact of pixel overload and exposure shifting back and forth in the auto-exposure mode of the camera.

When the camera zooms in, there are no lights or foreground for perspective. The light isn't really moving rapidly at all at the end of the video. The rapid movement back and forth at the end is just the user putting his hand on the camera to push the stop button. The camera itself is shaking. If the photographer hadn't zoomed in to eliminate nearby lights, this would be easy to see. I saw a similar effect when I shot a short video of Jupiter a few weeks ago when it was close to the moon.

OPPPPPPO wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

So I definitely agree that the lights above the plane are UFO's. They are because the plane is identifiable (as a commercial/freight airplane) and whatever else is there is not identifiable because we don't 100% really know what it is. So yeah it's unidentifiable, it's flying and it's an object - an Unidentified Flying Object.

But just because it's a UFO doesn't mean it's from outer space being controlled by Gordon Shumway (and I know you aren't specifically saying it's "aliens") - I believe there are plenty of flying objects in this world we can't simply identify. So yeah, nice footage - that's about it.

Well, golly! This is the fairest, sanest comment in the thread! Tickle my curiosity and hypothesize: is this UFO/UAP organic, metallic, photonic?

No idea, it's unidentifiable.

Thanks for your genuine and detailed comments - closely considering.

I didn't say angular velocity. Why would I try to express that in m/s units? What I plainly meant was the instantaneous speed of the edge of the saucer relative to its surroundings, i.e. Earth. The speed that, if it released galactic torpedoes from it, would fling them on a tangent line at Earth at that speed.

nothing in any physical model exists, it's all abstract. Only the world it is trying to describe really exists. Complex spaces are no more abstract than real spaces.

Calling an assumption "suspect" is a pooh-pooh fallacy, but I made no such assumption. I merely dared introduce complex spaces to special relativity to challenge its own self-imposed limitations, i.e. assumptions.

I said nothing about quantum phenomena! We are talking about advanced aliens, remember? They may have a better way.

I already hinted at how that might be - around the hill. If we can view time as complex, why not velocity? As long as the imaginary value of v is nonzero, v^2/c^2 can never be 1, because c is a real number. There are many continuous paths through the complex plane from, say, (.1c, 0) to (1.41c, 0) that wouldn't push the Lorentz expression to absurdly huge absolute values.

Assuming such angular velocities were possible, how would these saucers "degauss" themselves? The magnetic flux densities of such saucers moving through the earth's magnetic field would be enormous - like orders of magnitude higher than an aircraft carrier crossing the poles during a solar storm. They would need a degaussing platform the size of Ethiopia just to keep from tipping over whenever someone opened a refrigerator door. There is no way such a saucer with performance characteristics could be built, much less operate.

Excellent question. Now we’re talking.

cogitooooiiii wrote:

Link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxMoSXLRus

No alien is ever coming to earth to put on a silly low rez light show… how stupid are people?

If an alien had the technology to travel to earth there’s no reason why they would be flying around our skylit allow bother to come here ( remember speed of light and light years).

Other stupid related crap… Sasquatch and Loch Ness.

Anyone remember enough of their high school biology to know why these two creatures don’t exist?

Dude seriously wrote:

The video is terrible. There is nothing strange at all it looks like just a drone and some bad camera work.

Why would you think this was the UFO or why would you think it would be interesting? It's an incredibly slow flying object with flashing lights that does a vague maneuver at the ends while your camera work conveniently gets really bad

It´s always the same. It doesn´t matter if it´s the Loch Ness monster or a UFO. For some reason the picture quality always sucks.

A light flashed in a poorly shot video! A a bit of a leap to go from that to alien life visiting Earth

Video and photographic anomalies happen all the time they're commonplace and are proof of nothing

I guess every time we hear a strange sound we can just assume that it's Jesus or the Easter Bunny trying to communicate with us

We could never be thought of as hyperbolic or wild-eyed for making such assumptions?

And stop doing crazy physics when you obviously have no degree or education on the subject. If you want to do physics go to school and learn something and publish papers and prove that your physics is Meaningful