Transgender law center memo. They know they are losing the sports debate.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Every single thing you mentioned is bad. Youre basically whining "these people have a track record of opposing all our entire radical agenda"

You have to understand intuitively that female NCAA athletes will not be standing side-by-side with white boomer republicans who oppose gay marriage in 2021. That is the EXACT message in my first post. They will not come at the issue from the angle you do. They will not associate or team up with you.

To anyone insisting letsrun is somehow not full of white, old, terminally-online conservatives, here's just one still fighting the good fight against the radical agenda of two men paying joint taxes. There's plenty just like him. Find these bigots foaming at the mouth in any thread about transgender Jeopardy contestants, hero cops who bravely murder the physically disabled, or greedy McDonalds workers getting paid more than they did in 2004.

TrackCoach wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

What does fighting for themselves mean? Is it sending a letter to the N.C.A.A., signing a petition or holding a press conference? What happens when the N.C.A A. responds by confirming Thomas' eligibility? Some kind of strike is out of the question. Athletes in other sports or even in other swimming events, wouldn't consider such a thing for even a second.

Sorry, but I disagree!

Notwithstanding the actions you mentioned, women have almost been mute on this issue. Very few high profile women have had anything to say. The fact is, transgender men competing in women's sports primarily affects women, yet men have had far more to say about the issue.

It's a very hot issue currently, there are bans being put in place in over half of the states and most of the media outlets on the right are outraged over Thomas. A few high profile women commentating on the issue doesn't matter and nothing would change anything. Why would they want to damage their popularity by wading into such a contentious issue over a single college athlete?

Maybe one of the posters on LR that demanding sacrifice from others, should instead got to Thomas' next meet and halfway through the race, dive into the pool and block her lane.

blame the wrong people wrote:

You have to understand intuitively that female NCAA athletes will not be standing side-by-side with white boomer republicans who oppose gay marriage in 2021. That is the EXACT message in my first post. They will not come at the issue from the angle you do. They will not associate or team up with you.

You may not realize it, but you're describing the self-destructive pathos of wokeness beautifully.

However, the woke are not and never were the majority, they've merely punched above their weight for a while, silencing the masses with a reign of cancellation terror. Tide is turning after last year's riots.

Genny Cream Ale wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

There are 224K female athletes competing in N.C.A.A. sports. Why is this small group of athletes expected to be the only ones to make a sacrifice? And for non-seniors, they might be suspended by the N.C.A.A. and not be allowed to swim next year.

I doubt that Penn swimmers will boycott. Nevertheless, it would be an absolute PR disaster for the NCAA and the transgender community if the boycotting athletes got suspended or barred from competing.

There would be outrage from the usual sources and after a few days, it would run its course and nothing will have changed.

It would be a reasonable decision for Thomas' teammates to swim the races, get pushed back a place and move on. As per Biden, the rules are the rules.

TrackCoach wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

What does fighting for themselves mean? Is it sending a letter to the N.C.A.A., signing a petition or holding a press conference? What happens when the N.C.A A. responds by confirming Thomas' eligibility? Some kind of strike is out of the question. Athletes in other sports or even in other swimming events, wouldn't consider such a thing for even a second.

Sorry, but I disagree!

Notwithstanding the actions you mentioned, women have almost been mute on this issue. Very few high profile women have had anything to say. The fact is, transgender men competing in women's sports primarily affects women, yet men have had far more to say about the issue.

Whether that is true aside, why can't mean speak up about what men are doing? This is an issue caused by men who think they have the right to occupy spaces dedicated exclusively for women. Men should be able to talk about the problems other men create.

agreed. this is an excellent post, even by Runragged's standards.

and as you have said - completely ignored by the trolls.

OozmaKappa wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

Sorry, but I disagree!

Notwithstanding the actions you mentioned, women have almost been mute on this issue. Very few high profile women have had anything to say. The fact is, transgender men competing in women's sports primarily affects women, yet men have had far more to say about the issue.

Whether that is true aside, why can't mean speak up about what men are doing? This is an issue caused by men who think they have the right to occupy spaces dedicated exclusively for women. Men should be able to talk about the problems other men create.

Looking forward to LRC men acknowledging the problems men create when it's sexual abuse accusations of coaches, equal sports prize money, sponsorship for pregnant athletes, Title IX, the gender pay gap, maternity leave, surrogacy, abortion rights, access to contraception, subsidized childcare, sex work, body shaming and the plethora of other issues that affect women (including trans and intersex women) and the ways men make life hard for them.

Tatar... wrote:

Looking forward to LRC men acknowledging the problems men create when it's sexual abuse accusations of coaches, equal sports prize money, sponsorship for pregnant athletes, Title IX, the gender pay gap, maternity leave, surrogacy, abortion rights, access to contraception, subsidized childcare, sex work, body shaming and the plethora of other issues that affect women (including trans and intersex women) and the ways men make life hard for them.

Lot's of those problems are solved if you just put tanny men into those women's races and teams. Problems solved. Less sexual harassment (transmen = ugly women) no preggers risk, no maternity leave, no pay gap since now men are also women.

Tatar... wrote:

OozmaKappa wrote:

Whether that is true aside, why can't mean speak up about what men are doing? This is an issue caused by men who think they have the right to occupy spaces dedicated exclusively for women. Men should be able to talk about the problems other men create.

Looking forward to LRC men acknowledging the problems men create when it's sexual abuse accusations of coaches, equal sports prize money, sponsorship for pregnant athletes, Title IX, the gender pay gap, maternity leave, surrogacy, abortion rights, access to contraception, subsidized childcare, sex work, body shaming and the plethora of other issues that affect women (including trans and intersex women) and the ways men make life hard for them.

What an incredibly ignorant post. Most of those things you list are not problems caused by men. It's ridiculous that you equate those things to how trans men are terrorizing women. The only valid thing on your list is sexual abuse, I'd be willing to grant you that if I didnt know you were referring to Mary Cain being called fat. So basically your entire list is bollocks.

OozmaKappa wrote:

This is a common sense issue. If we cant win this, we're screwed when it comes to everything else that is a lot easier for them to lie about.

Half the country does not have common sense...

OozmaKappa wrote:

Tatar... wrote:

Looking forward to LRC men acknowledging the problems men create when it's sexual abuse accusations of coaches, equal sports prize money, sponsorship for pregnant athletes, Title IX, the gender pay gap, maternity leave, surrogacy, abortion rights, access to contraception, subsidized childcare, sex work, body shaming and the plethora of other issues that affect women (including trans and intersex women) and the ways men make life hard for them.

What an incredibly ignorant post. Most of those things you list are not problems caused by men. It's ridiculous that you equate those things to how trans men are terrorizing women. The only valid thing on your list is sexual abuse, I'd be willing to grant you that if I didnt know you were referring to Mary Cain being called fat. So basically your entire list is bollocks.

So the only time you're using the "men need to talk about the problems other men create for women" is when it's a trans person?

Leftists oppose cultural appropriation but celebrate gender appropriation, which has far more serious repercussions.

When men create the problem, not only should other men be able to talk about it, they should be expected to. Cause the solutions not gonna come from anywhere else. Your dumb leftist talking points dont count but I dont have the time or the energy to debunk the dozen different things you listed.

NotPC wrote:

Tatar... wrote:

Looking forward to LRC men acknowledging the problems men create when it's sexual abuse accusations of coaches, equal sports prize money, sponsorship for pregnant athletes, Title IX, the gender pay gap, maternity leave, surrogacy, abortion rights, access to contraception, subsidized childcare, sex work, body shaming and the plethora of other issues that affect women (including trans and intersex women) and the ways men make life hard for them.

Lot's of those problems are solved if you just put tanny men into those women's races and teams. Problems solved. Less sexual harassment (transmen = ugly women) no preggers risk, no maternity leave, no pay gap since now men are also women.

Actually trans women suffer many of the same problem cis gendered women do. Harassment, sexual abuse, employment, healthcare, sex work and body shaming are all shared problems for women whether they are trans or otherwise. That's why most mainstream feminists (as in third and fourth wave) include trans women in their analysis.

BigTex wrote:

Leftists oppose cultural appropriation but celebrate gender appropriation, which has far more serious repercussions.

The people who celebrate this one particular kind of appropriation also constantly decry colonialism and white supremacy. Yet they champion males using gender identity claims to invade and colonize the sports, spaces and services meant for females that women over many generations fought hard to establish and build. They're all for male supremacy and male entitlement so long as it's done in the guise of "trans rights."

They also say their concern is with "the most marginalized" and oppressed groups in society, but they have no problem with men using gender identity claims to punch down and sexually prey on lesbians:

For every male individual who is using gender identity claims to invade female sports these days, there are many, many more who are using gender identity claims to enter and assert their dominance in other places like women's shelters, refuges, rape crisis centers and restrooms:

This is a war on women and girls and our hard-won rights that a small but suddenly very powerful segment of the male population - aided and abetted by many females, unfortunately - is waging on many fronts simultaneously. Mainstream media and the half of society that considers itself "on the right side of history" are cheering these guys on and pretending not to see the sinister misogynistic underbelly (and boners) hidden beneath all the shiny glitter, bright lippy and the pink-and-blue striped rainbow flag. There's a reason for the emergence of neologisms such as "wokescreen."

Tatar... wrote:

Actually trans women suffer many of the same problem cis gendered women do. Harassment, sexual abuse, employment, healthcare, sex work and body shaming are all shared problems for women whether they are trans or otherwise. That's why most mainstream feminists (as in third and fourth wave) include trans women in their analysis.

This is called "forced teaming." It's a manipulative tactic used by abusers that Gavin de Becker identified in his classic work, The Gift of Fear in the 90s.

Forced Teaming: when a person implies that they have something in common with their chosen victim, acting as if they have a shared predicament when that isn't really true.

I can explain in great detail the myriad ways in which the problems and obstacles faced by males who "identity as" women and girls are not the same as the problems and obstacles faced by females who actually are girls and women. But I started my NYE imbibing a bit early, so this will have to wait.

But trust me, the struggle of males who "identify as" women have nothing in common with the struggles of those of us who are women. So please stop with all the piggybacking, parasitism and appropriation.

Happy New Year!

High profile woman are coming out and stating the obvious, trans women have a huge physical and mental advantage over biological females in sports.

These women include:

The highest paid author in the world

The world’s greatest ever female sportsperson

The world’s most influential trans woman

It’s women without the ultra high status who are afraid to speak out for fear of backlash.

I'm disheartened by posts like these, as they make frank discussion very difficult.

Happy new year.

But you're having to "team up" with some very unsavory people to protect what you think is your rights. Every patriarchal idiot is anti-trans because they wish to maintain and enforce their version of what men and women are - they can't have people opting out of the binary division that's been set for each of us. It undermines their belief system.

If there is such a thing as "forced teaming" (it sounds like it's describing abusive relationships/individuals, not coalitions or groups) it's currently underway with some feminists splitting off and aligning with very traditionalist and anti-LGBT groups.