astro wrote:
The race was a bit on the slower side. Maybe the course was not as dry due to some rain. The final result was where the SRs were tracking, with Cook slightly faster than Perez. Hard to judge based on conditions, but looks like Runninglane is over a minute faster than Balboa.
That was my take as well. Let's see how fast the guys run. But this gives a little perspective on 15:58 vs Dudek and Starliper at 16:45/46
They mentioned that Cook's mother ran Footlocker back in the day. I believe her mother is 2-time NCAA runner-up Melissa Gulli from Texas A&M. Can anyone confirm?
My goodness, another five minutes per region for introductions. This is madness for the first guys introduced.
Called it a little early wrote:
They mentioned that Cook's mother ran Footlocker back in the day. I believe her mother is 2-time NCAA runner-up Melissa Gulli from Texas A&M. Can anyone confirm?
Yes.
By winning the South Regional title Nov. 27 at McAlpine Park in North Carolina, Natalie Cook and her mother, the former Melissa Gulli, became the fourth mother-daughter pairing in meet history to both qualify for the Kinney/Foot Locker/Eastbay national final.
Gulli was 23rd in 1997 representing Klein High in Spring, Texas.
Melissa and Natalie joined Ceci Hopp and Anne St. Geme, Gina Braz and Catarina Rocha, along with Vickie Cook and Cami Chapus among the mother-daughter tandems to compete at the national championship.
Hopp captured the individual title in 1980 competing for Greenwich High in Connecticut, with St. Geme finishing 13th in 2005 representing Corona del Mar High in California.
Cook finished in the top six three times, with her best performance a third-place effort in 1980 for Alemany High in California. Chapus earned 22nd in 2011 representing Harvard-Westlake High in California.
Rocha was a three-time qualifier and placed second for Peabody High in Massachusetts in 2012, with her mother Braz finishing 21st competing for the same school in 1984.
Lot of talk about how good California is but can we take a moment to recognize the Connecticut boys? 4 national qualifiers this year, and Gavin Sherry's twin brother is also good enough to be there (I heard he was sitting around 10th for much of the regional meet before taking a fall or something?).
You could draw a < 10 mile circle around the center of the state and hit the Sherry brothers, Puffer, and Bohlke's hometowns.
RossiCheated wrote:
My goodness, another five minutes per region for introductions. This is madness for the first guys introduced.
Have you not watched this before? It's always been done this way and it gives fans a chance to get to know the field.
Yes her mother is Melissa Gulli -Cook the All- American runner who ran for Texas AM
astro wrote:
The race was a bit on the slower side. Maybe the course was not as dry due to some rain. The final result was where the SRs were tracking, with Cook slightly faster than Perez. Hard to judge based on conditions, but looks like Runninglane is over a minute faster than Balboa.
Duh! Anyone with a brain could have told you that. Runninglane is a joke. Balboa is a real course. Cook was a 1:12 slower, and the conditions were perfect. It was cool instead of hot. Now maybe everyone can please stop trolling over Hutchins and Cook’s “all time” performances……they mean nothing!!!!!!! And you can see now how much Milesplit and Cory Mull know about running…… nothing!!!! He predicted 5 girls would break 17. Not one came close. Just image what Tuohy, Dudek, and Starliper would have run at runningLane!?! Dudek and Starliper around 15:35 and Tuohy 15:30.
I was interested in the race because it would provide some comparative info about a few courses. Perez's best race this year was 17:08 at Holmdel, a course she is super familiar with as a north New Jersey runner. I would still say Holmdel is tougher than Balboa and that none of these runners can break 17 at Holmdel. Comparatively Runninglane is absurdly fast which we already knew. The 2019 race was a burner.
Her stride looks a bit like Molly Seidel’s, similar turn at the knee.
Yep. It is what it is.
just don't watch wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
My goodness, another five minutes per region for introductions. This is madness for the first guys introduced.
Have you not watched this before? It's always been done this way and it gives fans a chance to get to know the field.
I've watched the races since I competed in high school thirty years ago, but I never watched all of this pre-race stuff. Doing something one way forever doesn't mean that you're doing it right.
Have every runner on the line, they step forward when introduced and you say one thing about each (their greatest achievement as determined by the athletes themselves). Everything else needs to be in a media guide/program.
astro wrote:
I was interested in the race because it would provide some comparative info about a few courses. Perez's best race this year was 17:08 at Holmdel, a course she is super familiar with as a north New Jersey runner. I would still say Holmdel is tougher than Balboa and that none of these runners can break 17 at Holmdel. Comparatively Runninglane is absurdly fast which we already knew. The 2019 race was a burner.
Holmdel is most certainly harder than Balboa. That first hill, the dreaded Bowl etc. However even worse is Bowdoin Park, where they had the regionals. Crazy tough course
The introductions take longer than the race itself.
I predict 15:03 for first.
FastTuohy wrote:
astro wrote:
The race was a bit on the slower side. Maybe the course was not as dry due to some rain. The final result was where the SRs were tracking, with Cook slightly faster than Perez. Hard to judge based on conditions, but looks like Runninglane is over a minute faster than Balboa.
That was my take as well. Let's see how fast the guys run. But this gives a little perspective on 15:58 vs Dudek and Starliper at 16:45/46
Hutchins ran a 17:16 in that same race with Dudek and Starliper and then got a lot faster on the track and on the same XC courses the following year when she ran 15:58 and 15:34. Her top speed rating went from 159 to 171 which is 36 seconds. Her 3200 PR went from 10:15 to 9:49.
Go Perez! wrote:
astro wrote:
I was interested in the race because it would provide some comparative info about a few courses. Perez's best race this year was 17:08 at Holmdel, a course she is super familiar with as a north New Jersey runner. I would still say Holmdel is tougher than Balboa and that none of these runners can break 17 at Holmdel. Comparatively Runninglane is absurdly fast which we already knew. The 2019 race was a burner.
Holmdel is most certainly harder than Balboa. That first hill, the dreaded Bowl etc. However even worse is Bowdoin Park, where they had the regionals. Crazy tough course
How does Holmdel compare to Van Cortland or Belmont in difficultly?
7empest wrote:
astro wrote:
The race was a bit on the slower side. Maybe the course was not as dry due to some rain. The final result was where the SRs were tracking, with Cook slightly faster than Perez. Hard to judge based on conditions, but looks like Runninglane is over a minute faster than Balboa.
Duh! Anyone with a brain could have told you that. Runninglane is a joke. Balboa is a real course. Cook was a 1:12 slower, and the conditions were perfect. It was cool instead of hot. Now maybe everyone can please stop trolling over Hutchins and Cook’s “all time” performances……they mean nothing!!!!!!! And you can see now how much Milesplit and Cory Mull know about running…… nothing!!!! He predicted 5 girls would break 17. Not one came close. Just image what Tuohy, Dudek, and Starliper would have run at runningLane!?! Dudek and Starliper around 15:35 and Tuohy 15:30.
Look at my thread. I averaged the time from the women in both races and it came out to a 65 second difference between balboa and running lane.
With the speed ratings of these guys, let's hope it's quicker than that
Hough looks good right now