Is there a man on this earth that can have 10.5 100m speed and 13:30 5K endurance?

KieranMac wrote:

Could Brazier run a 13:30 (when fully healthy)? Because I'm pretty sure he can do a 10.5.

Zero chance Brazier could run 10.5 FAT from blocks. Sub-11 is doubtful.

My kid runs 10.5 and at age level (11) won state for XC (3km). He could go maybe 1.52 for 800 now. But I doubt sub-15 for 5km. 100 and 5km are too far apart.

Runningart2004 wrote:

And if I was 6 inches taller I'd be 6'2.

These types of questions are asinine and they have been around for as long as the board has been around. Maybe if we give them a few years of training, some time to bulk up and get stronger.....oh wait....:that wasn't the question....

If some distance runner had run 10.9 in training we would all know about it. LR always overvalues distance runners and undervalues sprinting.

How about the other way? Why couldn't a 10.9 sprinter run 13:30? I mean 13:30 is slooooooooooooow compared to 10.9. Surely the opposite must be true?

Alan

lol cmon man, why would coe/rudisha/whoever be doing 100m time trials from blocks? what good would that do them? did bolt do all out distance runs in training?

coe anchored a gb 4*400 team and trained with sprinters and held the 800 wr for a decade and a half plus, as if he couldn't run sub 11

Juha Vaatainen was the Euro champ in the 10000m in 1971 and was originally a sprinter with a 10.8" 100m pr and 13'28" PR for 5000m. I guess he is very close and would probably be faster with today's tacks and spikes ....

Coevett wrote:

Supralapsarian wrote:

Steve Ovett had to have been the closest.

Yes, this is likely true.

I think he was ranked the number 1 junior 400m sprinter in the UK when he won a national junior xcountry title.

As there are doubts about Harbig because of the Nazi era use of amphetamines, then Ovett is likely the best example of sprint speed and distance endurance.

Ovett was running 11.8 and 22.8

That's a long way from 10.5

But go ahead and pretend he ran 21.7 because of a misprint in his autobiography.

Yeah, I thought about lean sprinters who could potentially run a fast 5k (De Grasse, Van Niekirk)...just seems a lot more difficult for them than someone more accustomed to at least 800/1500 training.

Korir/Amos/Jakob have the best chance I think. Korir has 44.2 and 1:42.05...and extremely lean.

I still know who wrote:

Yeah, I thought about lean sprinters who could potentially run a fast 5k (De Grasse, Van Niekirk)...just seems a lot more difficult for them than someone more accustomed to at least 800/1500 training.

Korir/Amos/Jakob have the best chance I think. Korir has 44.2 and 1:42.05...and extremely lean.

Jakob? You certainly do not mean Jakob Ingebrigtsen? Were there secret TTs you want to share? 45.50. If an 800m and/or 1500m athlete cannot sprint F.A.T. sub-45.50 400m, not sprinting F.A.T. sub-10.50 100m.

Increasing your endurance and Vo2 Max is much easier than increasing your top end sprint speed. Tons of people can run decent 5Ks and 10K, but very few can even run a fast HS sprint time ever.

The person who csn run and 10.5 and a 13.30 would most likely be a 400m runner. Very few world class 800m guys can approach a 10.5. Tons of 400m guys can easily run 10.5 or better, even in HS. A world class 400/800 guy can train for few years and possibly get close to a 13:30 5K

Actually the best person right now with incredible range isn't a guy....its Athing Mu. She could do the female equivalent to 10.5 100m and 13:30 5K

KSZCZOT could be in the mix.

He ran 22.2 FAT and 3:46 in a weeks time in 2010. 1:43/3:38 PBs.

I absolutely mean JI. In fact, I think he's the only one who could have the ability to do both simultaneously.

His PB in the 5k is 12:48...his 800m pb is from over a year ago, so I'm thinking it would be 1:44 range based off 3:28. He do a significant amount of sprint focused work and still maintain the ability to run 13:30.

Another potential candidate I didn't think of is Josh Kerr. He's broken 13:30 and has a bit more of a sprinter's build than Jakob. I don't think he could do both simultaneously, but I don't think 10.5 is as crazy as a lot of you are making it out to be, especially for some of the greatest 8/15 runners of all time.

I still know who wrote:

I absolutely mean JI. In fact, I think he's the only one who could have the ability to do both simultaneously.

His PB in the 5k is 12:48...his 800m pb is from over a year ago, so I'm thinking it would be 1:44 range based off 3:28. He do a significant amount of sprint focused work and still maintain the ability to run 13:30.

Another potential candidate I didn't think of is Josh Kerr. He's broken 13:30 and has a bit more of a sprinter's build than Jakob. I don't think he could do both simultaneously, but I don't think 10.5 is as crazy as a lot of you are making it out to be, especially for some of the greatest 8/15 runners of all time.

That is not how the human body works. One cannot become a fast sprinter while in your mid-twenties with no previous sprinting background. You listed Jakob Ingebrigtsen's 1500m & 5000m personal bests. I am aware. You state J. Ingebrigtsen is capable of 1:44.xx 800m. I disagree. I believe he has a limit of 1:45.xx 800m. I can't see Jakob Ingebrigtsen running 800m faster than Steve Scott. I won't bother to have an extended debate, 1:44.xx versus 1:45.xx. Poster, you have offered no reason for me or anyone to believe J. Ingebrigtsen can run a F.A.T. sub-45.50 400m or a F.A.T. sub-10.50 100m. I would have rather attempted to train a 20 year old Lee Evans or a 20 year old Jeremy Wariner to race 5000m, sub-13:30 than try to produce sub-10.50 100m from the men you listed.

Ohhhhh, sorry I didn't realize you were a human body expert!

Do you have any idea what Jakob's sprinting background is? Do you have any idea if he's ever gone all out in a 100, 200, or 400? Do you know exactly how much capability a 21 year old has to improve his sprinting times when given anywhere from 6 months to multiple years?

Oh, that's right, you don't know any of those things. Centro ran 1:44 bud, if you think Jakob can't touch that, you're delusional.

Lastly, you'd rather train those guys than ANY of the men I listed? Korir has run 44 low. He could probably go sub 10.4-sub10.3 with some dedicated training.

Always funny to see distance runners spitball a topic that's far out of their depth. Just because someone has "run 1:44" and "has a fast kick" doesn't mean they're a sprinter. No one should be in this discussion unless they have verified 100m/200m times to give any credence to sprint ability.

I threw Kszczot out there because he has reasonable sprint times (in relation to Cram, Coe, etc who have been mentioned above) and moderate mid-d times. He's not a strong favorite at either 10.5 or 13:30, but someone who's PB's indicates a wide range of ability. McBride, Brazier, Korir maybe too.

Claiming Jakob, Kerr or any other mid-d or longer guy is sprint capable is a joke.

First of all, I'm not a distance runner. I sprinted through hs/college , though I probably would have been best as an 800 guy.

I never said anything about a "fast kick".

I agree Kerr and Jakob's top end sprinting abilities are unknown, but that doesn't eliminate the possibility, especially if they dedicated a year to training for it.

What ballpark time do you think Kerr/Jakob could run in the 100 after training it for a year?

I highly doubt that any mid distance runner in the history could have cracked 11.00 in the 100m.

It is a lot harder than most think. It is a good time for sprinters on a regional level and the only thing they do is sprint. I think Cole Hocker would be the one to get closest to running 11s 100m and 13:30 5k.

I think if one had the running talent of Rudisha, Kipketer etc., meaning probably a handful of guys known in history, and one was doped up with EPO for the 5000m, and anabolic steroids for the 100m, and one did the requisite training, then someone comes close.

Master of Lolly wrote:

I highly doubt that any mid distance runner in the history could have cracked 11.00 in the 100m.

might be the one of the dumbest things I've ever read on LR

Already Finlandian European Champ Juha Väätäinen ran a sub 11 at 100m ( I guess it was 10.7 or 10.9 ) , a 22.1 at 200m and a 13:28 at 5000m and 27:52 at 10000m. Good sprint speed has always been good to become a great long distancer ( except if the type of a 100m "Hulk" )

I still know who wrote:

Master of Lolly wrote:

I highly doubt that any mid distance runner in the history could have cracked 11.00 in the 100m.

might be the one of the dumbest things I've ever read on LR

Not so my friend! Already the great Rudolf Harbig who is the only runner ever to hold both 400 and 800 WR at the same time did run a sub 11 at 100m!! :)

Sorry.....that was answer to Master of Lolly and you who told it was a dumb thing to say of course are correct. There are many more examples of great middle distancers in history that ran sub 11 sec at 100m.