Yared Nuguse Says, "I think I could run 46sec in the 400m"

I wish that we could get that to happen. Both would split 47 easy. Did any of you guys run? I ran 3:45 and split 48 frequently. Two milers on my team split 47. They were more than 10 seconds slower than Ingebrightsens for the 1500.

The goose is silly. A silly goose, if you will.

The beautiful thing about track is its objectivity. It’s one of my favorite things about the sport. You can put your money where your mouth is or STFU. Cold, hard facts only. No coaches to impress and ration playing time. No pushy parents pressuring said coaches to start their Jonny over you. You perform, you rise. Beautiful.

There is ZERO chance this floppy cat can sniff 46 or 47 in an open 400m. I would be surprised if he broke 49.

If he disagrees, he can easily shut naysayers like me up by you know, doing it in a race.

not even close wrote:

The greatest middle distance runner (800m to mile) in history, Seb Coe ran 46 for 400m.

Ngoose ain’t running 46, especially with that limp, goofy running technique.

Yes and Seb was 46.87

You would lose your house. They'll never run a serious 4x400 or 800 but both have 11 100m speed with a running start.

Filip would need a rabbit and definitely the carbon plates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKRExMmiQfo

Notice the lack of fans and serious pacer.

Lagat?

You missed the 2000 Olympic 1500 final?

Of course he could split a 48 in his prime.

What do people always so over estimate how fast or good people will be in other events?

Cram raced a 400 before the 1984 Olympics and ran 49.8. Coe raced a 200 within a month of his 1.41 and finished dead last in 22.6. (my roommate beat him)

I think part of it is people try to take the non standing start into consideration but don't take a 200 flying start in training is also shorter than a 200 race. When people time themselves in training (or a coach times them) they tend to start the watch when their foot hits the start line. In a race the watch starts with your entire body behind the start line.

400 splits are official (or at least were in Seb's time) for the baton. So you reach back and immediately move the baton from behind your body to in front. Ovett was considered one of the fastest 1500 guys of all time. He ran lots of 400 races and I think he never came close to breaking 47.

dsrunner wrote:

You would lose your house. They'll never run a serious 4x400 or 800 but both have 11 100m speed with a running start.

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You may be right, but I'm not so sure. They are incredibly strength-based and could be running that 52.X second 400m first lap at about ~3 seconds off their PB (say ~49.X sec).

I agree with many others that for Yared, a sub 47 seems completely out of the question.

Chances: 46.X --- 47.X --- 48.X

Jakob 10% --- 50% --- 80%

Filip 5% --- 40% --- 70%

Yared 0% --- 30% --- 70%

Yared is a pretty intelligent guy. I'd say if he calls it, he's probably close.

maybe... wrote:

dsrunner wrote:

You would lose your house. They'll never run a serious 4x400 or 800 but both have 11 100m speed with a running start.

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You may be right, but I'm not so sure. They are incredibly strength-based and could be running that 52.X second 400m first lap at about ~3 seconds off their PB (say ~49.X sec).

I agree with many others that for Yared, a sub 47 seems completely out of the question.

Chances: 46.X --- 47.X --- 48.X

Jakob 10% --- 50% --- 80%

Filip 5% --- 40% --- 70%

Yared 0% --- 30% --- 70%

In 2016 Filip split 49 low in a relay in the national championships (1000m relay with, 100-200-300-400 laps).

When Jakob was 17(?) he ran a 3000m in the youth champs and 20min later a 400m from blocks in 50.9. He is certainly faster now.

Finnished at 344 wrote:

dsrunner wrote:

Hard to find a 3:50 miler who can't run 48 split on a 4x4 relay.

I'd bet my house and home that neither Filip Ingebrigtsen nor Jakob Ingebrigtsen can split 48 on a 4x4.

Probably not Bernard Lagat, either.

McSweyn is a 3.48 miler. No way he is splitting 48 on a 4 x 400 and he probably can't break 50 in a 400m FAT from blocks.

dsrunner wrote:

You would lose your house. They'll never run a serious 4x400 or 800 but both have 11 100m speed with a running start.

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So 12.XX from blocks. Multiply that by 4 and you have 48. Even Coe struggled to break 23 and he was a lot faster than Jakob is over a shorter distance.

For an elite 200-400m runner you double the 200m time and add 3.5. For one like a distance runner who can't run a good 200, I'll give you double + 2-2.5 seconds. That puts Jakob at low-mid 48s from blocks at best.

Also remember different energy systems. If you have been running aerobically for 12 mins you haven't drained your anaerobic system and maybe not your alactic either. This is why they look fresh and also why if they go with 450m to go they die with 100m to go - the anaerobic/lactic catches up with them.

Erik Sowinski ran 46.81 in the open 400 as his PR and split 45.9 in the 4x400 that year. He ran 1:45 that year, ended up with a lifetime PB of 1:44. He is better than Goose in the 800 by a few seconds. And Goose is a strength runner coming from the 1500 meters. So if top 800 runners running sub 1:45 can only run a 46 open 400, no way Goose comes close to that. I'd say he runs 48 in the open, and could split 47 at best. Probably more like 49 in the open and split 48 in a 4x400.

I ran 4:31 in high school with a 50.9 best in the relay.

I ran 3:46 in university with a 48.5 carry.

My team practiced turnover before and after easy days, rolling 150s in 17.3-17.5 before peak season.

Our best 800m guy, who could not run a mile, anchored us in 46.8.

Our best 1500 guys were: 3:44 - 3:45 - 3:46 - 3:46 - 3:51 and I was the fastest relay carrier.

We had a 48.3 runner on the high school team who ran that off of 10.7 - 22.3 'speed'.

Give Ingebrigtsens a rolling start and let them run 11.xx 100m segments. They're not lasting a full lap at that speed.

Isiah Harris split 45 in college. He also was about the top XC runner in his state while in HS. He split sub 4 in the DMR. But I guess Nuguse can only run 48.

Harris ran the 4x4 religiously.

You're missing the point. Although he trained aerobically, he wasn't a 3:35 1500m runner (or faster).

The point? Nuguse told us what he can run and you all don't believe him even though he is a smart kid at Notre Dame who happens to be one of the fastest Americans of all time. But you are guys sitting at a computer who think you know better than the smart guy who is doing the training. It is very insulting. Somehow Brazier has done what Nuguse stated. And many others can do it.

Possible but probably not that likely. As a comparison Seb Coe's all time best 400m was 46.87s and he ran 1:41 for the 800m and 3:29 for the 1500m.

I knew a guy with 22.6, 48.9, and 4:05

I'd be surprised if elite milers weren't running 48.9, some in 49 others in 47

HS Slagowski ran 48 and 3:59 while also being a national class XC runner.