Disgusting performance. They should be ashamed. Carl is 100% right.
Disgusting performance. They should be ashamed. Carl is 100% right.
bednarek is so mad in this interview
very poor leadership. coaches too busy socializing or what? im sure those positions are very political
Bednarek basically confirms that USATF botched things. There are no guarantees in the relays under the best of circumstances, but you are guaranteeing failure if there is no leadership, organization or decent coaching.
You can't just assume that because people ran relays in the NCAA you can just plug them into an Olympic relay at the last minute and expect everything to work out.
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
Bromell: Did not gain on the guy in front of him nor distance himself from the guy in the lane behind. That means he ran 10. something
Kerley: Ran well, but changed the baton from hand to hand and had it gripped too far up. Couldn't therefore extend it far enough for Baker the outgoing to grab it.
Baker: Totally wrong for this leg. He ran it like he was running a straight. You need to lean into the curve; something which he clearly did not do.
The anchor: Totally wrong for this position. He started to run backwards after 60M.
Never done a closed exchange, so genuinely curious here, how much is that 2nd exchange on Kerley vs. Baker?
It looked to me like Baker went out too late and therefore Kerley ran up on him. Yes, he was holding the baton a bit high, but with Baker out too slow and his arm way up high, Kerley got jammed. Should Kerley have slowed down, or did he miss an earlier exchange point?
NonSprinter wrote:
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
Bromell: Did not gain on the guy in front of him nor distance himself from the guy in the lane behind. That means he ran 10. something
Kerley: Ran well, but changed the baton from hand to hand and had it gripped too far up. Couldn't therefore extend it far enough for Baker the outgoing to grab it.
Baker: Totally wrong for this leg. He ran it like he was running a straight. You need to lean into the curve; something which he clearly did not do.
The anchor: Totally wrong for this position. He started to run backwards after 60M.
Never done a closed exchange, so genuinely curious here, how much is that 2nd exchange on Kerley vs. Baker?
It looked to me like Baker went out too late and therefore Kerley ran up on him. Yes, he was holding the baton a bit high, but with Baker out too slow and his arm way up high, Kerley got jammed. Should Kerley have slowed down, or did he miss an earlier exchange point?
Baker left on time, but it's hard to tell if his hand was too high or if that's his elbow. In either case Kerley was holding the stick incorrectly and couldn't get it into Baker's hand. But in my opinion 1) this is why you practice and 2) why you can consider an underhand pass exchange where the receiving runner extends his arm down and a little away from his side, hand spread in a 'v' with the thumb separated from the other four fingers. The incoming runner then looks a beat at the hand and swings the stick upward from his own lowered hand into the waiting hand. I'm guessing that's what Lewis meant when he said they use the wrong exchange process. But none of the other teams used it and they didn't seem to have many problems.
KErley got to baker way too quickly. not sure if Baker left late or just accelerated poorly. Watch the replay and you'll see Kerley and Baker getting together much sooner than the other teams. Baker's speed should be matching Kerley's and he definitely didn't have enough time to work up to speed by the time Kerley is getting the stick to his hand. Jammed up big time. Kerley should not have to slow down. it is the job of the receiving leg to be in the right place at the right time.
COACHING
NonSprinter wrote:
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
Bromell: Did not gain on the guy in front of him nor distance himself from the guy in the lane behind. That means he ran 10. something
Kerley: Ran well, but changed the baton from hand to hand and had it gripped too far up. Couldn't therefore extend it far enough for Baker the outgoing to grab it.
Baker: Totally wrong for this leg. He ran it like he was running a straight. You need to lean into the curve; something which he clearly did not do.
The anchor: Totally wrong for this position. He started to run backwards after 60M.
Never done a closed exchange, so genuinely curious here, how much is that 2nd exchange on Kerley vs. Baker?
It looked to me like Baker went out too late and therefore Kerley ran up on him. Yes, he was holding the baton a bit high, but with Baker out too slow and his arm way up high, Kerley got jammed. Should Kerley have slowed down, or did he miss an earlier exchange point?
You really need to practice relays. When I ran them, there was always a bit of fight or flight anxiety going on as the approaching runner was bearing down on me. The very first relay I ran, I took off like a bat out of hell to get away from the incoming runner.
To me, it look like Baker left a little late. The incoming runner should never have to slow down before passing the baton. This is why practice is needed so you become familiar with the speed of the incoming, so that you can leave at the precise time and have your hand in the correct position for the baton. You can do an underhand or overhand pass. China, France and Japan, tend to favor the underhand passes, while other countries prefer the other.
In the underhand pass the outgoing runner extends his hand out towards the ground; the hand is open pointing down and the incoming runner inserts the baton. There is a youtube video of the French team practicing this exchange. What is overridingly popular is what I call the overhand pass. In this pass, the outgoing runner pushes his receiving hand back and out behind him parallel to the ground with his thumb facing down and his four fingers at a 90 degree angle. He holds it steady and the incoming smacks the baton firmly into the palm of the outgoing runner.
high school xc coach wrote:
KErley got to baker way too quickly. not sure if Baker left late or just accelerated poorly. Watch the replay and you'll see Kerley and Baker getting together much sooner than the other teams. Baker's speed should be matching Kerley's and he definitely didn't have enough time to work up to speed by the time Kerley is getting the stick to his hand. Jammed up big time. Kerley should not have to slow down. it is the job of the receiving leg to be in the right place at the right time.
COACHING
It looks to me Baker left late as well.
RIP US Relay. Gone, but not forgotten.
Coroner's report on cause of death needs to mention not just coaching, but athletes.
Sprinters and Distance Runners are different animals. They're both running, but have quite different physical requirements, energy systems, training... and mindset.
Sprinters seem to behave like rappers or fighters at weigh-in; over-the-top ego on full display.
The men's 4x100 Team admitted to doing essentially zero practice. We don't need no stinkin' training! It's just assumed being world-class 100m sprinters means you can show up cold and be world-class in relay. Is it any surprise bad leg assignments weren't changed or hand-offs were a "clown show"?
When you get your arse handed to you by Ghana, it's time to wake up and smell the testosterone.
What is overridingly popular is what I call the overhand pass. In this pass, the outgoing runner pushes his receiving hand back and out behind him parallel to the ground with his thumb facing down and his four fingers at a 90 degree angle. He holds it steady and the incoming smacks the baton firmly into the palm of the outgoing runner.
This is what we do. No problems. 44.08 school record BABY!
Don't hate. we are a 100% white school with 30 boys per class.
Given the USA relay performances in the 21st century, I'm rather puzzled how anyone could call this unexpected. Okay, maybe it's unexpected that managed not to DQ but really the failure to advance to the final was about as predictable as a Hassan or Crouser win.