The Lamont Marcell Jacobs FACT thread

Marcell Jacobs is so dirty, it's been obvious since the Tokyo Olympics. Strip him and give the gold to Kerley.

I think your thought process is completely understandable. It is on him (like Katir or Nordas) to take the bizarre late progression and back it up with a strong season while in the RTP. Not that that would prove innocence, but at least it would put everyone on the same page.

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As we all know, Carl Lewis was one of the many protected dopers of the good old 80s/90s.

It's kind of what makes Ben Johnson one of my inadvertently and irrationally favorite athletes ever.

1) Because I am extremely empathetic to his situation - he did absolutely nothing different to Lewis except not be born in the US and yet Carl Lewis sits there with a 1988 Gold medal and his name forever (favorably) in history

2) He and his coach Charlie Francis were (and still to this day) one of the only athlete-coach duos that actually cut the sh$t and were straight up honest about what they did and why they did it.

It's crazy to go back and look at the results of the Olympic 100m in 1984. Presumably the LA track was pretty fast for its time, right? Yet, 10.52 was the slowest time to qualify for the Olympic final, with the fastest being 10.14! Ultimately Lewis won the final with a 9.99, with Sam Graddy in second at 10.19 and Ben Johnson in third at 10.22. Looking over the full results all I can think is we have a number of high school kids running this fast in the US every year, with only Lewis' times the only real outlier. So is that what a fairly clean Olympic 100m looks like? Looking over the full results from the heats on you might think you were looking at the results from the California state high school championships last year:

Charlie Francis only came clean when he had to testify under oath in front of a Canadian Inquiry. He swore up and down that his athletes were clean before that. Only after the hearing and Charlie was banned from the sport for life was he ever "straight up honest" about his methods. His book "Speed Trap" is a great read if you are interested in at least his side of the story. Most of Charlie's influence came from European coaches at the time including the East German coaches, keep in mind that Charlie's first success coaching was with Angella Issajenko who had to compete against those East German women so he was already looking towards their methods for improved performance.

When you go back and look at the complete results of the 1988 men's 100m finals you see that Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis were huge outliers compared to the rest of the field so the argument by Francis that doping was rampant in the sport at that time doesn't hold a lot of water. There were likely many clean athletes in that field that were irreparably hurt because of Francis's decision to dope his athletes, including but not limited to the two guys who didn't get to the finals because of Ben Johnson and Desai Williams who were both coached by Francis and who were both using steroids according to Francis' book.

Agreed.

Just wait till he finds a new or return to his old "nutritionist"

He's the Charlie Ponzi of track and field...

C Lewis, amphetamine, correct?

B Johnson supposedly was frustrated by the slow healing of hamstring, B Johnson maxed out a steroid or steroids to heal quickly for 1988.

A. Do you believe amphetamine(s) and steroids are equal p.e.d.s? Athletes have taken amphetamines for almost 100 years.

B. Ben Johnson's level of steroids gave governing bodies no room to work with. Did you watch 1988 100m final? No final 15m deceleration.

Don't know what Lewis took, but Johnson later admitted that he was on various steroids for several years before getting caught.

Okay, I see that you are trolling now - but I find myself unable to resist. +2.8m/s renders the jump ineligible for record purposes, but carries a wind adjusted rating of 1220+ according to World Athletics. Also 1,800 ft elevation is not considered high elevation for running or jumping, so I am not sure why you even bothered to mention that. (3,000 ft+ is the cutoff)

8.48m long jump is one the top 50 longest jumps ever recorded

8.00m would have landed him in the finals at Budapest this year. Another 8.00m jump would have placed him 6th in the finals

8.00m jumps earned him recognition as the Italian national champion

8.00m is a huge deal. You are moving + 11 meters/second as you take off of the board to get that far out. He showed signs that he had elite 100m potential well before he dropped a 9.80 in Tokyo. As a long jumper he already had the speed, he just needed to clean up his start.

Are you kidding me right now? It's not a legal jump. Period. It doesn't count. What is this "wind adjusted rating" you are talking about? 1227 is the standardized point score for a jump of 8.48 - it does not take into account it's not a legal performance. You are right regarding the elevation - it's not substantial for training effect but it's better than sea level. 1837ft is coincidentally higher than Rieti which is 1300ft and is often attributed to the quality of performance there.

Bottom line - Jacobs doesn't have one of the top 50 longest jumps ever recorded because it's not a legal jump.

Your whole defense of this guy centers around this "long jump excellence". Now that is "trolling". The "Italian national champion"? That's the extent of this "world class ability" at the long jump? He wouldn't have even medalled at the NCAA's this year.

Last one and this is beyond ridiculous - go back and read the original posts on this thread. "Signs of elite potential"? What signs? Prior to 2021 he ran 43 100m races in 2018,19,20. He never broke 10.0 seconds in any of those races. Furthermore what he did display was incredible consistency at his natural level as his seasons best performances over 2018-2020 were wind neutral (0.0) adjusted to 10.11, 10.12 and 10.19. That's not a sign of elite potential and that's not even a sign of progression. His best performance in 2020 was 10.10 with a 1.6 m/s tailwind (the adjusted 10.19) and exactly 365 days later he took 0.3 seconds off that time to win the Olympic gold? Not only is that absurd the only precedent for that is one guy - Usain Bolt who went from 10.03 in 2007 to 9.69 in 2008. But of course Bolt had run 19.75 for 200m in 07 and Jacobs is not Usain Bolt.

Just stop it dude - this long jump angle is painfully stupid and so easy to shoot down.

Stop making shiit up, WA scoring takes wind into consideration. A 8.48m LJ with +5.6m/s wind has a WA score of 1210, a wind legal 8.48m with +0.6m/s wind is worth 1243. Which is why Marcel Jacob's 8.48m jump with +2.8m/s is worth 1227. 1220+ is elite, no if ands or buts about it. Obviously a 2.8m/s wind is advantageous, but in reality it is a 6mph wind - which barely qualifies as a strong breeze. (I can't believe you are trying to argue this fact).

8.48m is a top 50 all conditions jump on the WA data base, it is simply a fact - sorry, go mald more.

He was primarily a long jumper until 2018 (age 24), so I would argue running 10.1 his first year focusing on the 100m is another clear sign of elite potential.

I am certain you have zero eye for talent, no coaching experience, and have never sprinted or jumped at a high level.

I have noticed this across many sports.

well, this post certainly didn't age well.

This will be an interesting saga to watch this year. He ran 6.41 (world indoor gold) healthy and then 9.95 (European Gold) in 2022 while battling injuries. This year, he is looking much better than in 2023 from the eye test perspective. Notably there was no limp after his monster 4x100m leg at European Champs. I thought he looked like he held back in the 100m final and maybe was in his head about an injury after it. Obviously, no sign of that in the 4x100m. I know Salvatore thinks (with plenty of reason to) the guy is a fraud, but ultimately where his season goes from here will tell all.

The RTP caught up with Katir, so it actually aged well in having the athlete reveal how they should be perceived. With the tampering charge added in, he could be out for 4-6 years. And now Narve Nordas is having a season from hell so far, and we'll see what his deal is.

Jacobs looked like Grizzly Bear during the Olympic meet and now he looks "skinny" compared to the Tokyo meet.

He clearly took advantage of Covid and being a mediocre European level sprinter and lax testing to turn into 2020's Ben Johnson 2.0 for a week.

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