Whoo Han wrote:
Whoo Han wrote:
I heard that at least one food concession that will be on Agate Street behind the east side of Hayward will be selling burritos made of hog awful. Another place is offering pangolin & noodles.
Her major was listed as computer science, and I think it's probable that she graduated.
Her Bio had 200 athletic accomplishments and not a single academic one. No surprise if she never was graduated.
This is why we come to LRC - this sport is a never ending joke.
Oh how we laugh!
rojo wrote:
I'd like to see if they specifically were offering ofa lon teh menu.
As I said yesterday, if there's any credence to the blame-the-burrito story, then a major culprit most likely was the lard (manteca in Spanish). Lard is made from rendering pig offal & lard is the major fat used in Mexican cooking.
Tortillas are made with lard. In Mexican cuisine, meat prepared in pans & pots on stovetops is customarily cooked in copious amounts of lard. Refried beans are made with large amounts of lard & vegetables like peppers & onions are cooked in lard too. In Mexican cooking, even black beans simmered in water traditionally have lard added to them.
No matter what kind of meat or vegetable is in the burrito you order, if the tortilla & the ingredients were made in authentic Mexican style it's gonna contain plenty of lard.
In the 20th century, lard went out of fashion in the US for a variety of reasons explained in the video below. But in the 21st century, lard has made a big comeback. In many US kitchens, cooks kept cooking with lard even as it fell out of style, though they became secretive about using it. And in many traditional Mexican kitchens, lard never went out of fashion at all.
https://youtu.be/Abb_PUv9k2YThere's no reason to think that any androgens & other steroid hormones in pig offal diminish or vanish during the rendering process that turns offal into lard. Since steroid hormones are lipophilic, meaning fat-loving, it would make sense that they'd remain when the internal organs containing them are melted down into fat.
If the burrito you get from a Mexican food truck seems greasy as SH reportedly said hers was, the grease almost certainly comes from lard as opposed to another kind of cooking oil.
But in any event, for SH the fat's already in the fire.
In this table showing the naturally-occurring steroid hormones or like substances in foods commonly consumed in the US, it's interesting that the one most similar to lard - butter, another animal-derived product consisting mostly of fat - is the one that has the highest total amount of steroid hormones by far.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2397847320936281
Yeah, blame Mexican food, not the world beating, wash-board stomach having , 1% body fat American record holder who apparently ate there because, you know, it's how champions fuel. And she also chose the most disgusting plate on the imaginary menu. Oh wait, it was the Mexican restaurant that messed up her order and gave her pork instead of carne asada, and on top of that they substituted the pork meat with intestines, and on top of that the intestines came from un-castrated boars. So once again, blame Mexican food
Well said.
Santiago Stephen wrote:
I doubt she was ever even graduated from ASU. She probably cheated there as well.
Rupp and Centro never graduated at UO (Nike U) . That confirms non-graduates are cheaters.
moral high ground wrote:
Yeah, blame Mexican food, not the world beating, wash-board stomach having , 1% body fat American record holder who apparently ate there because, you know, it's how champions fuel. And she also chose the most disgusting plate on the imaginary menu. Oh wait, it was the Mexican restaurant that messed up her order and gave her pork instead of carne asada, and on top of that they substituted the pork meat with intestines, and on top of that the intestines came from un-castrated boars. So once again, blame Mexican food
The animal owner of those intestines must have been the most hung animal in the country with the largest ever recorded, sperm-loaded, high-testosterone-producing testicles on all pig-time!
moral high ground wrote:
Yeah, blame Mexican food, not the world beating, wash-board stomach having , 1% body fat American record holder who apparently ate there because, you know, it's how champions fuel. And she also chose the most disgusting plate on the imaginary menu. Oh wait, it was the Mexican restaurant that messed up her order and gave her pork instead of carne asada, and on top of that they substituted the pork meat with intestines, and on top of that the intestines came from un-castrated boars. So once again, blame Mexican food
I'm not blaming Mexican food. Just pointing out an aspect of the story that's getting overlooked. Focusing solely on the meat like many posters are doing misses that authentic Mexican cuisine is full of pig offal from the lard alone. Even a chicken or veggie burrito is bound to be full of lard & thus pig offal.
I'm actually very skeptical of the blame-the-burrito story. I also think it's unseemly & impolitic for SH to be pointing the finger at food service workers of Mexican heritage. According to SH, they didn't just ruin her running career by feeding her mystery meat, they're incompetents who screwed up her order in the first place.
Given the political climate in Portland, I'm honestly surprised that the local press & public haven't taken up arms against SH yet on the grounds that her story comes off as racist & colonialist, smacks of privilege & makes her seem like a "Karen" crying "white women's tears."
I'm also surprised that we're already a couple of days into this story, & no one in the press has dubbed this debacle "burrito-gate."
Your analysis and theory does not get Houlihan to test 2 1/2 times the allowed limit of steroids. Trace amounts in pork lard would not get Houlihan to her level of steroids. Jack Daniels Burger at TGIF will only get you to 2 1/2 times legal limit of alcohol if more alcohol is consumed.
Jimmy21 wrote:
Why is the cuttoff 5ng for women and 2ng for men? Do women have some nadrolone naturally occurring or do they excrete it quicker or something?
Better excuse would be to say, "I identified as a male on December 15 when I took the test so my result was within limits. I now identify as a female for the Trials." Woke World would hail her as their Queen.
rojo wrote:
I'd like to see if they specifically were offering ofa lon teh menu.
Incredible.
Your move, Rojo Bot.
How is butter similar to lard? Butter is made from milk, not rendered fat. Tallow would be a better comparison.
Again, this raises the question of why more people don't test positive. Lard isn't all that rare of an ingredient, particularly outside the US.
identity crisis wrote:
Jimmy21 wrote:
Why is the cuttoff 5ng for women and 2ng for men? Do women have some nadrolone naturally occurring or do they excrete it quicker or something?
Better excuse would be to say, "I identified as a male on December 15 when I took the test so my result was within limits. I now identify as a female for the Trials." Woke World would hail her as their Queen.
I'll give you both an explanation that no one wants to consider. If you're a female of reproductive age. You'll go see your vagina doctor asking for birth control pills. The cheapest and most common one is a combo of estradiol and guess what? Look it up or ask you girlfriend. Microdosing anyone....? Wada knows this and under moral constraints has to set said limits higher for female athletes. Now if you are an athlete of a certain level all you have to do is adjust oral quantities and timing. Read the lawyer explanation about oral ingestion timing. Make sense? Can we legally ask for her medical records to find out what kind of birth control she uses? Will the letsrun investigating journalists the uncomfortable questions? Probably not. After all it's easier to blame non castrated "male" pigs in the wild.
Ho Hum wrote:
How is butter similar to lard? Butter is made from milk, not rendered fat. Tallow would be a better comparison.
Again, this raises the question of why more people don't test positive. Lard isn't all that rare of an ingredient, particularly outside the US.
because its nonsense. Lard would never primarily contain offal; anyone who has any culinary background would laugh at that. It certainly could be true (and likely is) that the same griddle could be used to cook all proteins for burritos / tacos / tortas (including offal) and so you could have some cross contamination. But certainly not a lot, and the lard used intentionally as a cooking fat is not made from offal, its made from cuts of fat.
sikeloitheone wrote:
I'll give you both an explanation that no one wants to consider. If you're a female of reproductive age. You'll go see your vagina doctor asking for birth control pills. The cheapest and most common one is a combo of estradiol and guess what? Look it up or ask you girlfriend.
Progesterone analogs?
Do these produce some anabolic effect I do not know about?
Ho Hum wrote:
How is butter similar to lard? Butter is made from milk, not rendered fat. Tallow would be a better comparison.
Again, this raises the question of why more people don't test positive. Lard isn't all that rare of an ingredient, particularly outside the US.
Yes, you're right: tallow is a much better comparison in terms of how lard & tallow are made. I made the comparison between butter & lard because
1) on the published table I found & mentioned which showed the amount of steroid hormones in various commonly-eaten foods in the US that come from animal sources, butter is the food listed that comes closest to lard in terms of being a solid/semi-solid form of concentrated animal fat - and thus a good vehicle for carrying/storing any lipophilic steroid hormones in the animal overall. Both butter & lard have been separated from other leaner parts of what an animal either produces or is made up of.
2) Though made in dissimilar ways, butter & lard are used in similar ways in cooking. Whereas tallow has other uses - candles, soap, sealant, lubricant - & has been used in cooking less commonly than butter & lard.
(Though now that I've looked into it a bit, I see that tallow made from the fat around the internal organs particularly the kidneys of various ruminants - cows, sheep, goats, deer, bison, buffalo - is considered a real taste treat by some. And of course in lean times in centuries past, any part of an animal that could be used for nourishment & staving off hunger was eaten in all sorts of ways.)
looki wrote:
sikeloitheone wrote:
I'll give you both an explanation that no one wants to consider. If you're a female of reproductive age. You'll go see your vagina doctor asking for birth control pills. The cheapest and most common one is a combo of estradiol and guess what? Look it up or ask you girlfriend.
Progesterone analogs?
Do these produce some anabolic effect I do not know about?
Nandrolone is a progestin. Yes they do. A quick Google search will result in a large list of athletes popped for it.
blanket fort wrote:
Ho Hum wrote:
How is butter similar to lard? Butter is made from milk, not rendered fat. Tallow would be a better comparison.
Again, this raises the question of why more people don't test positive. Lard isn't all that rare of an ingredient, particularly outside the US.
because its nonsense. Lard would never primarily contain offal; anyone who has any culinary background would laugh at that. It certainly could be true (and likely is) that the same griddle could be used to cook all proteins for burritos / tacos / tortas (including offal) and so you could have some cross contamination. But certainly not a lot, and the lard used intentionally as a cooking fat is not made from offal, its made from cuts of fat.
I know back fat is considered the best source of lard, & that a lot of pig offal ends up in items like sausage. But from what I've read & been told, frequently unused & discarded parts that are collectively referred to as offal end up in lard fairly often. Then again, maybe I've put too much faith in the likes of sources such as Daniel Okrent & Zarela Martinez.
