Marshall U wins NCAA men’s soccer with 25 foreign athletes

This is an interesting thread. I don't think most people are rational about all of this stuff though - including me.

1) I have ZERO problem with it for sports. In my mind, the idea of "We shouldn't recruit foreign" is a complaint of the super rich arrogant US universities. The less prestige schools can't recruit the American very easily. So if you are going to waste thousands of dollars, you might as well win is my mindset. People who complain about a waste of taxpayer dollars need to watch the following video. The Marshall fans clearly enjoyed it.

https://www.ncaa.com/video/soccer-men/2021-05-18/watch-jamil-roberts-3-straight-game-winners-marshall-soccers-title-run

2) While I have zero problem for sports, I'll say the following. I have prided myself on always buying a car made in America. Now none of this makes rationale sense. The OP is someoene who is probably posting this on an iphone made in China. In a global economy, as someone who majored i econ,I understands the benefit of free trade it but I still love the buy USA idea. But if everyone did that, it would be bad for the world.

And if we are going to have free trade, then not why also apply it to education?

That being said, I'm not afraid to admit this is emotional to people. Take myself. I'm willing to admit a non PC thing - it bothers that Princeton admitted like only like 200 white American males this year. That seems crazy low but I'm sure there is a justification for it. I just ithnk the US should education (but that's different than sports for me) the US's future leaders - but totally get why others say the world's leaders. But it bothers me emotionally that the Chines dictator's daughter took up a coveted spot at Harvard. Like that is ABSURD to me.

3) #1 and #2 are interesting but the thing I'm most interested in the huge roster. How/Why do they have 50 people on their roster? That makes no sense. How many of them actually saw playing time? Is this some Covid thing they took advantage of? There has to be a great story behind that.

zoobies wrote:

Good for Marshall. They were within the rules. As long as we let unlimited foreign athletes, unlimited byu years of eligibility, unlimited age, unlimited oregon PEDs, unlimited duke basketball salaries, then every school can do whatever they want.

Hey liar, BYU track athletes get the exact same amount of eligibility as others, no more, no less.

I forgot to mentio point #4.

How about the striker who scored the game winner in teh quarters, semis and final.

https://www.ncaa.com/video/soccer-men/2021-05-18/watch-jamil-roberts-3-straight-game-winners-marshall-soccers-title-run

Not from Europe they don’t come in older. They’re generally speaking the same age as the Americans they beat. I should know, I’m one.

Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out. I would say that technically my kids are good (it helps to make up for their other deficiencies) - top 20% on their teams. They are average athletes (top 40%) and below average aggression (probably like bottom 20%). But I've seen a lot of growth in those areas so I'm hopeful they can overcome it with maturity.

rojo wrote:

1) I have ZERO problem with it for sports. In my mind, the idea of "We shouldn't recruit foreign" is a complaint of the super rich arrogant US universities. The less prestige schools can't recruit the American very easily. So if you are going to waste thousands of dollars, you might as well win is my mindset. People who complain about a waste of taxpayer dollars need to watch the following video. The Marshall fans clearly enjoyed it.

Those fans are Marshall students who might have earned a scholarship to play soccer there had it not been for the 25 international kids. Instead they are paying full tuition and will be burdened by the student debt for decades.

There is empirical data that shows MANY Americans can't afford to have kids because they are broke from their student loans. They aren't able to buy houses either.

I think the coach is unethical but the rules shouldn't allow it in the first place. Congress needs to step in and BAN foreign scholarships for athletics and academics.

Tribe wrote:

Kevin Anderson and John Isner are two more examples of late bloomers who developed in college and went on to top 10 in the world.

Kevin Anderson is not American. He is from South Africa.

In general, I don’t think colleges should have sports period, but that’s a slightly different discussion.

BUT if you want to be competitive in a sport like football (soccer), you have to bring in foreigners. American-born players are mostly garbage.

I have seen quit a few travel teams play in Northern Va. Money cannot buy you talent or grit.

You are irrational. Makes being honest with others worthless.

1. There's precedence for having outsiders on college sports teams - deep South flagship universities with sports teams having nearly all black players.

2.Made in America is not clear cut. I bought American cars too and did it even while being aware of overpaying and getting crappy design and quality. Didn't like myself for being a willing sucker. Meant to do this until these companies got their acts together but that never happened and they moved production to Mexico while foreign carmakers moved their production to the US.

How is the CIA going to recruit spies without the lure of US universities? Get them young and addicted to "freedom". Harvard doesn't recruit the children of foreign leaders for the children's benefit but to sell western values and to so other students and faculties can make relationships that will bear fruit i the future.

I assume that you're white and that's why Princeton's admissions bother you. But you're clearly not a superior mind yourself and the identification with Princeton is ego based instead of getting the most out of the opportunities there. If most of the students were of your intellectual quality it would cease to be in the top five or 10 schools in the world.

eraseboards wrote:

How is the CIA going to recruit spies without the lure of US universities? Get them young and addicted to "freedom". Harvard doesn't recruit the children of foreign leaders for the children's benefit but to sell western values and to so other students and faculties can make relationships that will bear fruit i the future.

LMAO you might be the dumbest poster on this site. China and other countries are using students to steal info FROM US. There are countless examples.

truth here wrote:

eraseboards wrote:

How is the CIA going to recruit spies without the lure of US universities? Get them young and addicted to "freedom". Harvard doesn't recruit the children of foreign leaders for the children's benefit but to sell western values and to so other students and faculties can make relationships that will bear fruit i the future.

LMAO you might be the dumbest poster on this site. China and other countries are using students to steal info FROM US. There are countless examples.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/us-intelligence-chinese-student-espionage/index.html

Naive! The CIA is just sitting on its while this is happening. Don't think so.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Tribe wrote:

Kevin Anderson and John Isner are two more examples of late bloomers who developed in college and went on to top 10 in the world.

Kevin Anderson is not American. He is from South Africa.

I know - but he’s a great example of a successful player who developed in the American collegiate system. Cameron Norrie is another one. Not saying they shouldn’t be there but the NCAA is undoubtedly a great minor league system for a number of sports - track included. By and large it’s American dollars that fund NCAA scholarships. We would have a better American development system in multiple sports if we invested more in American athletes.

taken wrote:

What incentive do academies have to develop players? The US system does not allow the clubs to be paid. And very few of these guys get significant minutes on MLS teams.

This isn't exactly true, although it's complicated. Clubs can and do get paid by selling players they develop in the academy, and many players developed in an academy get significant minutes in MLS. Here is a list of current Homegrown Players in MLS; some of these players will have rather modest MLS careers, some will have pretty good MLS careers, some will be sold to teams in Europe, and maybe a few of them will become contributors not only to their clubs but eventually to the national team.

Academies have an interest in developing players because they are operated by professional teams, who hope to develop players for the first team. Academy players can also be a source of revenue if they are good enough to be sold to a Euro team.

Some academies lose a player who signs as a pro somewhere else. This brings up the issue of "solidarity payments", which is a whole other discussion.

Here's just one example, a kid developed in the Philadelphia Union academy, then played for the Union for maybe two years, and who was then sold to an Austrian team for $9 million.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/manuelveth/2020/10/16/brenden-aaronson-the-sky-is-the-limit-after-9m-rb-salzburg-landmark-deal/?sh=cfd562076415

As an aside, Aaronson has done really well at Salzburg and looks to have really solidified his place on the national team. Hopefully, we'll see him doing good things in the World Cup next year.

And to sort of bring this back to the point of this thread, Aaronson turned pro when he was 16 or 17. I doubt college was ever seriously considered.

"How is the CIA going to recruit spies without the lure of US universities?"

And on the other side of the coin:

How is China going to employ its spies without welcoming US universities?

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Those fans are Marshall students who might have earned a scholarship to play soccer there had it not been for the 25 international kids. Instead they are paying full tuition and will be burdened by the student debt for decades.

There is empirical data that shows MANY Americans can't afford to have kids because they are broke from their student loans. They aren't able to buy houses either.

I think the coach is unethical but the rules shouldn't allow it in the first place. Congress needs to step in and BAN foreign scholarships for athletics and academics.[/quote]

Sure, let's say the coach chooses to only recruit American athletes - but then his team is not going to win the NCAA tournament. They might not win their conference title, and might have a really poor season. Then, because the program isn't successful, their budget gets cut, maybe even the program. Then those scholarships that the Americans deserved are gone.

If you want to talk about student loans, wouldn't the better solution be to actually address the student loans, not the 9.5 scholarships that a soccer team has? I'm assuming you're a Republican, because I've only ever heard Republicans talk so vitriolically about American jobs disappearing. Assuming I'm correct, aren't you in favor of smaller government? So then why make another law or requirement?

It's really quite simple. Marshall found a way to succeed and are rewarded for it. Capitalism, baby!

you're so stupid wrote:

Those fans are Marshall students who might have earned a scholarship to play soccer there had it not been for the 25 international kids. Instead they are paying full tuition and will be burdened by the student debt for decades.

There is empirical data that shows MANY Americans can't afford to have kids because they are broke from their student loans. They aren't able to buy houses either.

I think the coach is unethical but the rules shouldn't allow it in the first place. Congress needs to step in and BAN foreign scholarships for athletics and academics.[/quote]

Sure, let's say the coach chooses to only recruit American athletes - but then his team is not going to win the NCAA tournament. They might not win their conference title, and might have a really poor season. Then, because the program isn't successful, their budget gets cut, maybe even the program. Then those scholarships that the Americans deserved are gone.

If you want to talk about student loans, wouldn't the better solution be to actually address the student loans, not the 9.5 scholarships that a soccer team has? I'm assuming you're a Republican, because I've only ever heard Republicans talk so vitriolically about American jobs disappearing. Assuming I'm correct, aren't you in favor of smaller government? So then why make another law or requirement?

It's really quite simple. Marshall found a way to succeed and are rewarded for it. Capitalism, baby![/quote]

In soccer there is only one winner. For every conference championship, there are 10-15 LOSERS. Under your logic, this international dream team at Marshall is causing many other programs to get cut and is eliminating even more scholarship opportunities for Americans.

The solution to the student loan problem is to make it so nobody has to get student loans...that means SCHOLARSHIPS. If you forgive all student loans now, we'll only have the same problem 10 years later because high school students are still forced to take out huge loans for college.

6/10 You picked the right place to drop catnip for xenophobic bigots!

johnny99 wrote:

Here's just one example, a kid developed in the Philadelphia Union academy, then played for the Union for maybe two years, and who was then sold to an Austrian team for $9 million.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/manuelveth/2020/10/16/brenden-aaronson-the-sky-is-the-limit-after-9m-rb-salzburg-landmark-deal/?sh=cfd562076415

As an aside, Aaronson has done really well at Salzburg and looks to have really solidified his place on the national team. Hopefully, we'll see him doing good things in the World Cup next year.

And to sort of bring this back to the point of this thread, Aaronson turned pro when he was 16 or 17. I doubt college was ever seriously considered.

So, I did a little more reading on Aaronson, he actually committed to Indiana University but never went there and never played college soccer. Ironically, had he chosen to go to college, he would be just completing his junior year and would have played against Marshall the other night in the championship game. He played for the Union's academy teams and then for the Union's reserve team before debuting for the Union in 2019, when he was 18 years old.