rojo wrote:
I just watched it again. No way should he be sancioned.
https://twitter.com/OutofAthletics/status/1393652241911873536
They want you to believe Ahmed is at fault moving back and to the left. But there’s no way his movement alone caused him to fall back and to the left. There must have been something else... in front of him and to the right.
Not sure why that wasn’t called back.
Either way, Mo is an absolute moron. What was he doing? Pushing both guys on both sides and then literally pulling someone down with him.
That said, in his defense, I doubt he purposely pulled Avila down. I’m sure it was a reaction to falling and he was just grabbing something to not fall.
Yes, the same thing happened in that 5k race with the two Ethiopian runners. One went down and grabbed the other's shirt while he was falling. It looked to me like after being ping ponged around, Ahmed recovered only to have Avila step on him when the packed slowed abruptly. Watch the feet.
I think the critical point in this whole debacle is when Mo puts both his hands up to his left and to his right which was unnecessary and which may have caused the incident. It looked like he was mad that he was not able to get ahead of those two guys to both his right (Avila) and his left, and then when he went down, he reacted by pulling Avila down with him - whether it was intentional or not remains to be seen but it looked like it was intentional.
Ahmed’s Instagram has not yet mentioned the incident.
It looked like Mo may have been guilty of an infraction in the heat of the moment which we are all capable of, and this should not detract from the overall picture we have of this guy which is that he’s a good guy - Mo Ahmed.
Mo weighs around 120 pounds and faces a serious challenge at the start of the race surrounded by guys who are around 30 to 40 pounds heavier.
I regret he did not do a “Kiprop” or “Abdi Bile” (intentionally stay at the back of the field in the early going), and then move through smoothly.
fault wrote:
Watch the slow motion part again. The only reason Eric shoves Mo in the first place is because Mo is completely out of control. He instantly puts his arms up in the air, getting tangled with everyone, bouncing around 3 lanes.. Apparently that's Mo's move to hold his ground but it's completely idiotic and will result in people shoving him back every single time. Of course people will start to shove him back if this is going on for 50 meters. But for him to then pull Eric down by his collar is pretty embarrassing for him. AND to top it all off, Eric goes to give him a high five later in the race and Mo ignores him! Bad look for Mo all around.
He needs to practice getting off the line, keep his arms near his body, and run in a straight line or else this will happen again.
“Bouncing around 3 lanes”?
Um no.
He is bounced back and forth between thug/scrub runs Avila and Wynne.
(Who is Wynne and why is he in this race? He just makes a mess desperate not to be behind Mo in the first 100...when drafting off Mo is probably the best opportunity this guy will ever have to run a real time.)
Both Avila and Wynne have very respectable 1500 m times, basically world class, and just a bit slower than Mo Ahmed. Both Avila and Wynne are significantly faster than Mo at 800 m and that factor may have also played a part in an aggressive start of the race.
Based on all of the above in my opinion the Canadian should’ve bided his time in the early going and then moved through. Difficult to fight for space with two very respectable runners with a very respectable 800 m times in the 1:47-1:48 range. That is a battle Mo cannot win.
Eric AVILA
COUNTRY
United States United States
DATE OF BIRTH
03 OCT 1989
800 Metres 1:47.90 Portland, OR (USA) 09 JUN 2019 1087
1500 Metres 3:36.37 Padova (ITA) 17 JUL 2016 1156
One Mile 3:55.43 Memphis, TN (USA) 25 AUG 2018 1131
3000 Metres 7:59.16 Dublin (IRL) 22 JUL 2016 1061
5000 Metres 13:18.68 JSerra Catholic HS, San Juan Capistrano, CA (USA) 04 DEC 2020 1142
5 Kilometres 14:00 San José (USA) 23 NOV 2017 1017
10 Kilometres 29:42 Dana Point, CA (USA) 28 NOV 2019
Henry Wynne
United States United States
DATE OF BIRTH
18 APR 1995
800 Metres 1:47.00 Azusa, CA (USA) 09 JUL 2019 1113
1500 Metres 3:35.14 Seattle, WA (USA) 15 JUN 2019 1173
One Mile 3:56.86 Dublin (IRL) 19 JUL 2018 1113
3000 Metres 8:00.07 McKenzie High School Track, Finn Rock, Oregon (USA) 17 JUL 2020 1055
5000 Metres 13:30.43 Palo Alto, CA (USA) 03 MAY 2018 1101
https://cdn.myeyelab.com/assets/images/MEL-Q4-2FOR59-Free-Eye-Exam-1366x330.jpgsbeefyk2 wrote:
Not sure why that wasn’t called back.
Either way, Mo is an absolute moron. What was he doing? Pushing both guys on both sides and then literally pulling someone down with him.
That said, in his defense, I doubt he purposely pulled Avila down. I’m sure it was a reaction to falling and he was just grabbing something to not fall.
What was Wynne doing with his left arm in the beginning?!
Why should there be greater consequences?
The race wasn't important.
What were they running for?
Ghost1 wrote:
I think the critical point in this whole debacle is when Mo puts both his hands up to his left and to his right which was unnecessary and which may have caused the incident. It looked like he was mad that he was not able to get ahead of those two guys to both his right (Avila) and his left, and then when he went down, he reacted by pulling Avila down with him - whether it was intentional or not remains to be seen but it looked like it was intentional.
Ahmed’s Instagram has not yet mentioned the incident.
It looked like Mo may have been guilty of an infraction in the heat of the moment which we are all capable of, and this should not detract from the overall picture we have of this guy which is that he’s a good guy - Mo Ahmed.
Mo weighs around 120 pounds and faces a serious challenge at the start of the race surrounded by guys who are around 30 to 40 pounds heavier.
I regret he did not do a “Kiprop” or “Abdi Bile” (intentionally stay at the back of the field in the early going), and then move through smoothly.
The reason Kiprop and guys like Farah casually went to the back is because they could toy with the field and get away with having bad racing tactics because they were doping. The doping gave them the confidence to toy with the field like they would do so often. No clean athlete races like that.
Typically Schumacher BS from one of Jerry's kids.
Ghost1 wrote:.
It looked like Mo may have been guilty of an infraction in the heat of the moment which we are all capable of, and this should not detract from the overall picture we have of this guy which is that he’s a good guy - Mo Ahmed .
Sounds like an argument Derek Chauvin might make.
From my vantage point, Ahmed willfully pulled Avila down. Even if he had lived like Mother Teresa up until then, he still merits a slap on the wrist.
The race should have been called back per the rules
The Unkle wrote:
The race should have been called back per the rules
No it should not have been per the rules. Look at my post on page 3 and pay attention to the way it is worded. Fall must be attributable to an unfair start within close proximity to the start line, and the rules specifically define close proximity as within 10 meters.
rojo wrote:
I just watched it again. No way should he be sancioned.
https://twitter.com/OutofAthletics/status/1393652241911873536
Mo acted like a clown and someone tell the idiot that he's not a breast stroker on the swim team. Whatever he was trying to get out of, he did a fabulous job of affecting as many runners as possible and he clearly pulled Avila down. If this was a college meet, he'd have some of Avila's teammates waiting for him at the exit.
No one needs to be fully blamed for anything, you know. It was crowded, and the smallest guy got pushed around and fell down. I say restart. People mentioning Centro and whoever the guy in green was who seemed to cut in early. It all contributes to the chaos. Shame one of the fastest guys in the field was eliminated.
big apple dan wrote:
No one needs to be fully blamed for anything, you know. It was crowded, and the smallest guy got pushed around and fell down. I say restart. People mentioning Centro and whoever the guy in green was who seemed to cut in early. It all contributes to the chaos. Shame one of the fastest guys in the field was eliminated.
"you know" Mo was the only one flailing away like a show dancer and the only one who pulled down another runner unnecessarily. Everyone else was able to handle the start professionally.
Al Sleet wrote:
big apple dan wrote:
No one needs to be fully blamed for anything, you know. It was crowded, and the smallest guy got pushed around and fell down. I say restart. People mentioning Centro and whoever the guy in green was who seemed to cut in early. It all contributes to the chaos. Shame one of the fastest guys in the field was eliminated.
"you know" Mo was the only one flailing away like a show dancer and the only one who pulled down another runner unnecessarily. Everyone else was able to handle the start professionally.
Are you visually impaired, a moron, or both?
Mo got pushed from both sides and then flailed his arms in frustration. And then when going down he grabbed the nearest thing he could trying to stay up.
Remember Kejelcha/Barega? Grabbing someone's vest/shorts can be enough for you to stay up. And if that guy was the one initiating your fall, eff him.
How anyone can watch the video and say Mo Ahmed is not to blame is beyond me.
mvnnm wrote:
Al Sleet wrote:
"you know" Mo was the only one flailing away like a show dancer and the only one who pulled down another runner unnecessarily. Everyone else was able to handle the start professionally.
Are you visually impaired, a moron, or both?
Mo got pushed from both sides and then flailed his arms in frustration. And then when going down he grabbed the nearest thing he could trying to stay up.
Remember Kejelcha/Barega? Grabbing someone's vest/shorts can be enough for you to stay up. And if that guy was the one initiating your fall, eff him.
The visually impaired crew is led by you. I assume a Mo teammate or fanboy. He could not have attempted to get away from the line any more poorly or unprofessionally. There's always a bit of bumping at the start of a competitive 1500m as we see within the same race with guys who actually know how to get away from the line instead of flailing away and grabbing anyone they can to pull them down.
The guy is a clown.
