Justin Gatlin is back and racing in florida? Is he cheating, or does the sun never set on this man's career?

Idiot Savant wrote:

It's so weird that you're so anti "basic", and that's eventually going to burn you.

He’s a special nutjob who lives in his own fantasy world, where standard non-relativistic physics doesn’t apply—because everybody knows that a 2m/s headwind is just the same as a 2m/s tailwind.

He knows something about the history of running times, but knows squat about the actual act of sprinting.

He is best ignored, for your own sanity. He has driven people nuts on other boards, to the point where he was banned—and now he’s here.

I have no idea if he is using or not, but it is easy as all heck to microdose and pass tests daily.

And past 10 years, IDK. 2015 in particular. That solid 9.74 opener is reason enough.

As I have said before, benefits of use remain—but as I have also said before, IMO Gatlin is one of the very best natural sprinters, from body type to technique to completeness of race. Maybe even the best ever.

Yes, seriously.😁

The sun never sets on the career of someone who knows how to dope.

Dude, you have had others complain about your fetish with that silly basic stuff, you have had others tell you to shut up about PEDS, so cool your BS, ok? If there is a nut job here it is you.

I know a little about times, hahahaha!!!!!! Dude, if he sprinted I know about him and you know that, I can talk cats you have never heard of, so cool this silly.....he knows some times, hahaha!

Dude, can take your ass to school talking the who/what/where/when, and you know it.

Now sit your bonely little ass down and STU.

You are an obese, atherosclerotic balloon-animal clown , you fat F. You don’t know crap about actually doing a sprint.

Seen your toes lately?

Stick to wrestling, it’s happy being a clown world.

Dude, do I have hair or go with the shaved look, let me guess, ya don't know.

Am I 6-2 or 5-6, let me guess, ya don't know.

Do I have tats, ya don't know do ya my man.

Do I have a beard, ya don't know.

So tell me stupid how do you know anything at all about me ? So why the lies ya little freak?

You’re the most insecure blowhard I’ve ever seen.

If you don’t talk crap, I won’t call you out on it. You can see this in my responses to some of your posts where you actually manage not to just bs all over the place.

Like a brain-damaged animal, you need to be kept in check.

Does anybody actually respond to your stupid “little guy” crap!

It's like this, we want to have fun with this stuff, that is hard to do with some dude.....they are dirty I tell ya, dirty......so cool that BS, ok? And I will stop kicking your ass around, got it?

Shut up about basic, that crap doesn't mean a damn thing.

Now do we have an understanding? Not going to take any crap off ya guy, be cool ..ok?

It’s like this: you’re a complete moron.

You won’t get a pass from me. I see you’ve been stinking up other threads too.

Good-night Twatley/Skipper. See you tomorrow.

Count on it.

You fat F.

Nothing I love better than stomping around on little dummies like you half pint.

Whatley wrote:

Nothing I love better than stomping around on little dummies like you half pint.

In your expressions of undying affection for each other, you guys seem to have lost track of the subject of the thread.

While Whatley is, as always, insufferable and incapable of critical reasoning, he is right here. If you've ever tried AAS, you know that the advantage in strength and sprinting is *really* significant - anywhere between 0.2 to 0.7 even for trained individuals for a full 100 after a handful of short and low-dose cycles. Add in HGH (gives you 0.05-0.10 in the last half of a 100) or IGF-1 and you're talking about a massive advantage that would be insurmountable for anyone who is "clean." And yet the puritans would have us believe that only ****some**** sprinters are doping and the clean guys have no problem keeping up with those dudes.

Access to legit pharma-grade IGF-1 is rare and I think that everyone's sources dried up for that a few years ago. But you can still easily obtain quality HGH for cheap anywhere in the world. The chances of detection there are infinitesimal. Running two to three low-dose cycles of an oral AAS is extremely low-risk, either from a health or detection perspective. On that point you only need to look at the Russian scandal from a few years ago, where a female 800 runner passed multiple tests while on Anavar.

75-90% of elite sprinters are using something illegal. And yet sprinting is no dirtier, at the top, than professional football, professional baseball, etc. This is professional sports; enjoy the ride or watch something else. Pandora's box was cracked when they first synthesized testosterone in the 1930s and opened fully by the 1960s.

Justin Gatlin is no more deserving of scorn than anyone he lines up against in a major competition. He's an amazing athlete who enormous talent and the perfect competitive mindset.

An major 100 meter final is *always* an even playing field. End of story.

Typos galore. My bad - need more coffee.

Only people that cheat justify it by saying "everyone cheats" everyone does not cheat,

Hey Timer, there is merit to some of what you say, but your conclusion does not necessarily follow from your premises.

“ 75-90% of elite sprinters are using something illegal.”

I happen to agree with that guess at the “elite” level, say at the lower end. That leaves 25% clean, meaning 2 of 8 finalists, 6 of 24 semi-finalists, and 12 of 48 in 6 heats. That’s a lot of athletes, and competitive ones, at that.

Yes people dope from 10.7 to 10.2, but that’s not the same doping as from 10.2 to 9.7–it is done by individuals, with no institutional/sponsor/medical/national federation support. To watch those athletes vs the top ones is a step in the right direction.

Also, it is my guess that the further you go down the ladder, the fewer athletes who are using. No way there is as great a proportion of second-tier guys using as the proportion of the usual finalists we see.

So getting rid of the doping trash is still worthwhile. If it is just the raw times you are interested in, normal competition should not interest you, because every athlete except for Dolt and BJ’88 has been held back somewhat by the regs.

Those who are interested in absolute speed could start a different system where anything goes, and see if it could support itself. With luck it might end up as popular as Strongman—which, BTW, I watch and follow, because it’s a pretty fair contest.

“Justin Gatlin is no more deserving of scorn than anyone he lines up against”. Disagree. He runs lots of races. You think that every one of those guys in the recent Florida race has used? I don’t. I know he’s lined up against CL (and gotten beaten). Although I do not disparage Gatlin (except for being Fatlin when he was tubby), there are competitors who are more deserving of attention and respect, IMO.

And you’re right about pro sports like football and baseball: I now watch neither, although I will randomly catch a football game. NCAA women’s volleyball, state HS basketball and hockey, alpine skiing, etc interest me more. Strongman is best because they either have no policy at all, or just ignore it—unlike track.

And I would have no problem with a parallel system—in fact, I would watch it with interest, like Strongman!

And yes you are right about hgh microdosing. Many do it, and will never get caught in the current system—BUT I believe that there are, and have been, totally clean 10.0x and even sub-10 athletes—and those guys deserve an honest shot, so that they aren’t effectively “forced” into doping.

Yes I know nobody is actually being forced to run in the west—but when you’re late teens etc, you are impressionable.

Conte said .2 or a little more Peds might help .2-.4 but .7 is an exaggeration.

Good post, Geezer. Obviously I don't agree on all the particulars but you make plenty of solid points. I particularly think you're nearabout correct on your estimation of guys not using anything illegal at the top.

I personally don't really care that much about raw times. I'm not "in favor" of doping so much as I think it's inevitable and not worth getting bothered about for the average fan. Kim Collins was likely "clean" when he ran 10.07 to win worlds. That win didn't bore me in the slightest. Lemaitre, if he's using anything, wasn't on AAS ---- the lack of delt development is a pretty big giveaway. HGH or peptides, maybe. There are a few other dudes out there. I honestly would enjoy the sport just as much if we went back to 10.10s and so forth winning major comps.

On the other end of things, I wasn't particularly bothered when Yohan Blake ran a 19.26 with a 0.27 reaction (other than a little bit of patriotic offense at Walter Dix being utterly defenestrated despite running a 19.5), aided in no small part by HGH and/or straight IGF-1LR.

If there's some major advances and testers can truly "clean up" the sport, I won't enjoy it any less.

(provided there's reason to believe they're effective enough to make it more-or-less an even playing field). If things continue on the current path, I'll be the same way. I don't mind the aggressive anti-dopers; I am bothered by the aggressive anti-dopers who don't realize just how powerful the doping agents are and how much of the last 60 -70 years in sprinting is in that shadow.

All just IMO

0.7 is not feasible for a 10.4 or 10.5 guy. It is feasible for an 12.0 guy. I know most people here are not particularly interested in these far-below-elite guys, I'm just providing a reference range for trained (even if not especially talented) individuals.

Since so many here don't seem to have a problem with athletes doping, maybe there should be awards for "The Best Cheat" in every event. Of course, it will mean that most of the winners and place getters will pick it up.

I don't think we should confine cheating to doping either; some athletes might want to use motorised advantage. Oh, wait - they're already doing that in cycling. It would be fun to see it in running.