longjack wrote:
Emoemo wrote:
Yeah but Ventolin you always thought Galen was good for 12:45 so I am not sure you are the most credible on this subject.
hey, you talking to me?
if you were, being confused with Ventolin is a super low blow,
if you do it again,
i'm going to call you double vantolin, you are a ventoling to infinity.
there you go sucker.
Hahahahaha. Welcome back old boy!
500 m 3:34.78+ January 26, 2013 Boston, MA
BU Terrier Invitational U.S. 2nd all-time
Mile 3:50.92 January 26, 2013 Boston, MA
BU Terrier Invitational [75] Formerly U.S. 2nd, now 4th, & World 5th, now 9th all-time
3000 m 7:30.16 AR, NR February 21, 2013 Stockholm, SWE
XL Galan World 7th all-time
2 mile 8:07.41 AR, NR January 25, 2014 Boston, MA
BU Terrier Invitational [76] Formerly World 6th, now 7th all-time
above rupp was on a roll where he was good for 349 mile sure, after all he ran 350 mile indoors.
and some of the other races above were not optimal pacing.
so that moroon vertolin was right in suggesting rupp could go faster at 5k.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen_Rupp
also 5th in the OG for 5k, means you can go 1250 pretty much certified in ability, you just need the right race to do it.
all of the above is basic understanding for anyone who's been involved at that level. coaches, athletes.
so learn up
he would kick ass. 26:44 before super spikes with no real competition. Dude shat on everyone at the trials and looked easy.
wanna get hard? wrote:
If Rupp is just 90% of his former self in the 10000 and in the new super spikes
There is no such thing as new super spikes.
In the 5000 people were running in the 12:40's for years in the old regular spikes. One guy goes 12:35 in new spikes, and it's the spikes? Put the new super spikes on Barega, Kejelcha, Gebrhiwet, Edris, and they should be going 12:30 flat. Not happening. Not the spikes.
Emoemo wrote:
not this again wrote:
13:00 is nowhere near what Rupp was capable of over 5000m. Put him in a BTC time trial in his prime and he’s going under 12:50.
If he returned to 10k training I have no doubt he would make the Olympic team.
Intelligence matters. I am sure you think Tadese was capable of a 2:04 marathon too. Galen had many bites at the apple and he managed to run 12:58.90. Galen was NOT a great 5000m runner. He was actually quite mediocre. Not nearly as good as you fanboys believe.
Find someone with similar credentials at 3k and 10k that couldn’t break 12:50 (Paul Koech is probably the closest you’re going to get and he’s 3.5 seconds back over 3k).
And please, spare me the useless Tadese argument. The correlation between 3k and 5k ability is much closer than that between half marathon and marathon ability. Even you should be smart enough to see that.
You CANNOT count indoor times. Are you people that dense? Galen has run 7:43 for 3000m. Do I think he could have run faster? No doubt but you simply cannot count an INDOOR time. Indoors is often faster. Even if you did count Galen’s 7:30 indoors, look at Paul Tergat. Tergat ran 7:28, 12:49 and 26:27.
Galen ran 7:30, 12:58 and 26:44.
Galen was NEVER expected to be a 12:49 guy except by fanboys or dimwits.
not this again wrote:
Emoemo wrote:
Intelligence matters. I am sure you think Tadese was capable of a 2:04 marathon too. Galen had many bites at the apple and he managed to run 12:58.90. Galen was NOT a great 5000m runner. He was actually quite mediocre. Not nearly as good as you fanboys believe.
Find someone with similar credentials at 3k and 10k that couldn’t break 12:50 (Paul Koech is probably the closest you’re going to get and he’s 3.5 seconds back over 3k).
And please, spare me the useless Tadese argument. The correlation between 3k and 5k ability is much closer than that between half marathon and marathon ability. Even you should be smart enough to see that.
Then why is it that, with all of the opportunities he had to run faster, he was never able to beat his 12:58? He was in plenty of races set up to do so.
Emoemo wrote:
You CANNOT count indoor times. Are you people that dense? Galen has run 7:43 for 3000m. Do I think he could have run faster? No doubt but you simply cannot count an INDOOR time. Indoors is often faster. Even if you did count Galen’s 7:30 indoors, look at Paul Tergat. Tergat ran 7:28, 12:49 and 26:27.
Galen ran 7:30, 12:58 and 26:44.
Galen was NEVER expected to be a 12:49 guy except by fanboys or dimwits.
Look how many times he ran the 3k indoors vs outdoors and see if you can figure out why his indoor time is so much faster. You’re out of your mind if you think his 7:30 doesn’t count.
You don’t have to accept he was capable of sub 12:50, but to act like he was maxed out at 12:58.90 is absurd. Woody Kincaid has a faster time and (no disrespect) he is nowhere near Rupp’s caliber.
birdbeard wrote:
He obviously wasn't training for it in 2017.
I guess this is the point of the thread tho. He showed up in 2017 which means he had done, at least, some specific work. He didn't have the wheels to go on the last lap. He briefly moved into 3rd between 300 & 200. Two passed him back in the final 2. He only beat Derrick who isn't known for his kick which is why he tried to go early.
I think Rupp is well past his prime on the track. With that being said, maybe he could get it done in a faster 10k.
Are there any rumblings that Rupp would try for the 10k/marathon double again? The schedule works out with the 10k on 7/30 (Friday) and the marathon on 8/8 (Sunday).
NERunner00053 wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
He obviously wasn't training for it in 2017.
I guess this is the point of the thread tho. He showed up in 2017 which means he had done, at least, some specific work. He didn't have the wheels to go on the last lap. He briefly moved into 3rd between 300 & 200. Two passed him back in the final 2. He only beat Derrick who isn't known for his kick which is why he tried to go early.
I think Rupp is well past his prime on the track. With that being said, maybe he could get it done in a faster 10k.
Are there any rumblings that Rupp would try for the 10k/marathon double again? The schedule works out with the 10k on 7/30 (Friday) and the marathon on 8/8 (Sunday).
Eh, I guess my point is that you don't run Boston less than 2 months before USAs if you are prioritizing the 10,000. It was probably still in his legs a bit, and certainly his build-up wouldn't be ideal. Not to say he didn't do some 10,000-specific work, but for at least 2 weeks after Boston I'm sure he doing very little hard training, and it just limited his buildup.
I do think if he had skipped Boston that year and trained for the 10,000 he would've won or at least qualified for WCs. That wasn't his focus in 2017. Certainly he's lost something on the track, but some of that is by choice. He was smart to move up -- the Marathon is definitely his best event given his personality -- he's very consistent.
ehehh wrote:
under a bridge wrote:
You guys are living in the past. If Rupp had a shot to win he would be running. His days of running sub 27 and closing fast are YEARS ago.
I think he isn't running because he has no shot to medal at the Olympics. He ran a 1:00:23 half last year, which is almost exactly the equivalent of a 27min 10k. I don't think he is closing in 52, but he can compete with Lamong, True, Fisher, etc. and I'm sure those guys know it. If he went out and ran a 27:45 to get the standard, they would all be paying attention.
I'm not sure there is anyone on the thread saying he would 100% win the trials, but he would be a contender. My guess is he would be 5th, but if he came in top three or won it wouldn't surprise me.
I was pretty close. He came in 6th. That said, I retract many of my other statements, especially that 'it wouldn't surprise me' if he came in top three. It absolutely would have surprised me.