UCLA shot 47% from 3
Both teams shot <67% from the stripe.
Almost 60% FG% over all
Bad defense, poor foul shooting.
Game is aging like leftover Neapolitan pizza
UCLA shot 47% from 3
Both teams shot <67% from the stripe.
Almost 60% FG% over all
Bad defense, poor foul shooting.
Game is aging like leftover Neapolitan pizza
Harambe wrote:
UCLA shot 47% from 3
Both teams shot <67% from the stripe.
Almost 60% FG% over all
Bad defense, poor foul shooting.
Game is aging like leftover Neapolitan pizza
Picked an old year at random - 1972 - and looked at the championship FT%. 62%, which is almost identical to the semifinal game that you argued is evidencing a huge decline.
the beagle wrote:
Harambe wrote:
UCLA shot 47% from 3
Both teams shot <67% from the stripe.
Almost 60% FG% over all
Bad defense, poor foul shooting.
Game is aging like leftover Neapolitan pizza
Picked an old year at random - 1972 - and looked at the championship FT%. 62%, which is almost identical to the semifinal game that you argued is evidencing a huge decline.
Duke shot 82% and UK shot 74% in 1991.
I was referring to this singular game, CBB is still a lot of fun.
The Stone Cutter wrote:
Last night’s game was absolutely incredible. The kind of game you want to see play out between two great teams in the Final Four, capped with an unbelievable buzzer-beater.
But the aforementioned 2016 title game between UNC - Villanova was better. Go back and watch the last 1:34. Nova was the underdog but holding a six point lead at that point.
UNC kept making baskets to close the gap, capped with a miracle, off-balance, double-pump 3 pointer by a freshman with 4.7 seconds left.
Nova ran the floor, setup a good look, and with the NCAA title on the line, Jenkins stroked the winning three as time expires.
Last night’s game was great. And had it been the title game, you have a much better case. But in my mind, a highly competitive Finals game with two huge clutch shots in the final 5 seconds (including a buzzer beating three) trumps a highly competitive Final Four game with a miracle shot as time expires.
Marcus Paige, who hit the 3-pointer for Carolina, was a senior that season.
Also, I agree. As a basketball fan, great game. As a Carolina grad, I have watched it one time and one time only. Haven't watched that shot again.
One of the best college games I ever attended was actually a women's game. #10 UNC vs #1 Duke in 2003. They played in Carmichael Auditorium, the same arena that the men used through 1985 or 1986. Standing room only with a complete sellout of 10,000+ and that is a LOUD arena.
The game is on youtube but of course there is no way to replicate the feeling of being in Carmichael for a rivalry game. Due to reviewing two calls, the final minute takes a little while. Sadly, the overtime was not very exciting as Duke took total control.
ThatEpicMania wrote:
The Stone Cutter wrote:
Last night’s game was absolutely incredible. The kind of game you want to see play out between two great teams in the Final Four, capped with an unbelievable buzzer-beater.
But the aforementioned 2016 title game between UNC - Villanova was better. Go back and watch the last 1:34. Nova was the underdog but holding a six point lead at that point.
UNC kept making baskets to close the gap, capped with a miracle, off-balance, double-pump 3 pointer by a freshman with 4.7 seconds left.
Nova ran the floor, setup a good look, and with the NCAA title on the line, Jenkins stroked the winning three as time expires.
Last night’s game was great. And had it been the title game, you have a much better case. But in my mind, a highly competitive Finals game with two huge clutch shots in the final 5 seconds (including a buzzer beating three) trumps a highly competitive Final Four game with a miracle shot as time expires.
Marcus Paige, who hit the 3-pointer for Carolina, was a senior that season.
Also, I agree. As a basketball fan, great game. As a Carolina grad, I have watched it one time and one time only. Haven't watched that shot again.
Thanks for the correction. Tough luck, being a Carolina grad. Not much fun either as a St. Joe’s grad watching your Big Five rival cutting down the nets. But as a basketball fan, what a game.
The UCLA/Gonzaga game reminded me of the 85 championship game between Villanova/Georgetown except for the final outcome.
Massimino, knowing they were outclassed slowed the game down- there was no shot clock then.
Villanova played flawlessly on offense moving the ball around and barely missing its shots- they shot over 75% from the field and 80% from the free throw line. There were few rebounds for Ewing to get.
Their defense was outstanding as well and they made the Hoyas work for their shots, Georgetown shot over 50% but Villanova controlled the tempo. Georgetown only shot a handful of free throws.
Cronin coached a great game too. I loved him at Cincy and look forward to UCLA the next few years.
Contrasting styles and the chess match between coaches is what makes the tournament great.
This did not age well.
Why did the women's team play in a different arena?
steve_perry wrote:
Why did the women's team play in a different arena?
The women's tournament was held in San Antonio.
coach wrote:
This is not Gonzaga's first final appearance.
I stand fully corrected. They made the final vs NC like 5 years ago right?
My bad
utbcw wrote:
Getting a little far afield here, but for those who don’t remember the previous century:
Norte Dame did end UCLA’s 88 game winning streak in 1974, but few remember that UCLA’s last loss before that streak started was also to Norte Dame, in 1971. The 1971 game (89-82) is still the greatest game I’ve ever seen. Wooden played Austin Carr straight up man to man, Carr fouled out three UCLA starters and scored 46 points, including Norte Dame’s last 15 in the game. With one minute to go, after fouling out, Sidney Wicks angrily yelled at Wooden “I told you not to put me on him!”
Carr is largely forgotten now, but Wooden said he was the best player he ever coached against. He averaged 41.0 ppg in the NCAA tournament (#1 all time) and is #2 in total points scored behind Michigan’s Glenn Rice (who played in 8 games to Carr’s 7). His career scoring average was over 35 ppg, achieved without the three point line and when Notre Dame was playing the toughest schedule in the country.
Your total points statement isn’t accurate, whether you’re talking about a single tournament or over their entire college careers. Rice does have the record for most total points scored in a single tournament, but Carr isn’t #2. Rice is #5 on the career tournament scoring list (he played in 13 career tourney games, not 8) - Carr is lower down, obviously due to fewer games played. Laettner is #1 on that career tourney scoring list by a wide margin.
The UCLA-Gonzaga game will lose some of it's luster as it now was a meaningless game in some ways.
What a terrible game last night.
Baylor without COVID likely would have been undefeated. They missed 3 weeks with COVID. Then in 1st game back nearly lost to a winless in Big 12 Iowa State team. Then lost their next two games before getting back in shape and they won every othergame the entire season.
And knowing nothing else about it, an undefeated Big 12 team likely is going to beat an undefeated West Coast Conference team or whatever league Gonzaga plays it.
Gonzaga's loss cost me winning my pool. I had 3/4 final four teams correct and the final 2 teams. Wish I had gone with my logic and picked Baylor but I grew up a huge UT basketball game. Still can't wrap my head around Baylor being so much better.
Exact same thing happened to me. I got leapfrogged by the only guy who took Baylor in the entire pool (90% Zaga and a few random picks like Michign, Illinois) - cost me my retirement.. :)
100% agree this was a terrible game - this was as bad a national title game as I have ever seen. When I was thinking of bad games I remembered the infamous UConn v Butler game about a decade ago where the score was like 20-18 at the half or something - but at least that game was close and it ended up being an awesome game with Gordon Haywood rimming a game-winning half court heave with time expiring.
But this game was over after 2min. Baylor were 9-0 up and Gonzaga never ever got within that the entire game. The thing that was most disappointing is that while Baylor were outstanding shooting the ball early and you can live with that, the offensive rebounds they got were simply down to lack of attention and effort defensively. After the UCLA win I realized two things - the fact guys were crying on the floor with emotion was going to end up two ways - it would polarize the team and give them a sense of destiny that would see them dominate the title game, or it would exhaust them and they would come out like a bunch of astronauts and get handled. It was a very sinking feeling (bracket-wise because in reality I didn't really care who won) to see it was the latter, and yeah, it took 120 seconds of the game to realize what was going to happen.
As good as that program is, I'm not sure they face enough tough situations throughout their regular season schedules to win the NCAA tournament. Since 2012 that program has lost only 10 games in regular season and never lost back-to-back. I would love to see how many top ranked opponents they ever face over a 5 game stretch before reaching the NCAA tourney. Their own conference tournament offers no practice either - they've what lost twice in the finals in the last decade and won every other season? I got fooled last night, never again.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
100% agree this was a terrible game - this was as bad a national title game as I have ever seen. When I was thinking of bad games I remembered the infamous UConn v Butler game about a decade ago where the score was like 20-18 at the half or something - but at least that game was close and it ended up being an awesome game with Gordon Haywood rimming a game-winning half court heave with time expiring.
That was against Duke the year before. I'll never forget it.
The game was not great.
Let's not make too much out of this whole Mickey Mouse season.
Harambe wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
100% agree this was a terrible game - this was as bad a national title game as I have ever seen. When I was thinking of bad games I remembered the infamous UConn v Butler game about a decade ago where the score was like 20-18 at the half or something - but at least that game was close and it ended up being an awesome game with Gordon Haywood rimming a game-winning half court heave with time expiring.
That was against Duke the year before. I'll never forget it.
The game was not great.
Let's not make too much out of this whole Mickey Mouse season.
I got my wires crossed - the awful game was the 2011 final - UConn vs Butler - it was 22-19 at the half! You are right though, the Haywood in-and-out was vs Duke the year before. Either way though, that game wasn't over after 120 seconds like last night.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Exact same thing happened to me. I got leapfrogged by the only guy who took Baylor in the entire pool (90% Zaga and a few random picks like Michign, Illinois) - cost me my retirement.. :)
100% agree this was a terrible game - this was as bad a national title game as I have ever seen. When I was thinking of bad games I remembered the infamous UConn v Butler game about a decade ago where the score was like 20-18 at the half or something - but at least that game was close and it ended up being an awesome game with Gordon Haywood rimming a game-winning half court heave with time expiring.
But this game was over after 2min. Baylor were 9-0 up and Gonzaga never ever got within that the entire game. The thing that was most disappointing is that while Baylor were outstanding shooting the ball early and you can live with that, the offensive rebounds they got were simply down to lack of attention and effort defensively. After the UCLA win I realized two things - the fact guys were crying on the floor with emotion was going to end up two ways - it would polarize the team and give them a sense of destiny that would see them dominate the title game, or it would exhaust them and they would come out like a bunch of astronauts and get handled. It was a very sinking feeling (bracket-wise because in reality I didn't really care who won) to see it was the latter, and yeah, it took 120 seconds of the game to realize what was going to happen.
As good as that program is, I'm not sure they face enough tough situations throughout their regular season schedules to win the NCAA tournament. Since 2012 that program has lost only 10 games in regular season and never lost back-to-back. I would love to see how many top ranked opponents they ever face over a 5 game stretch before reaching the NCAA tourney. Their own conference tournament offers no practice either - they've what lost twice in the finals in the last decade and won every other season? I got fooled last night, never again.
I foolishly had Illinois over Baylor for the semi. I picked UCLA (actually the winner of ucla/mich st) up through the elite 8 game. I got 41 correct picks but only 2 final 4 correct and 1 finalist.
I hate the big 10 but picked them ( instead of the big 12)and Gonzaga. I got fooled worse.