Raleigh Relays this weeekend

Also noteworthy: Celine Ritter 15:58 - not bad for a DII Runner.

Hannah Segrave, winner of the 1500, showing off a beautiful stride.

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My teammate got second to him at the state meet he lost by like 30s

7empest wrote:

Savannah Shaw just went 15:40 in the 5k for 3rd place and looked awesome for NC State. The Wolfpack is definitely the team to watch next year. If Shaw is running this now as their 5th runner.....watch out!!!!! Henes is a very underrated coach in the NCAA.

Henes is overrated. She's always had stacked teams but they would ALWAYS underperform. It happened again this year in XC, they shouldn't have lost to BYU.

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7empest wrote:

Savannah Shaw just went 15:40 in the 5k for 3rd place and looked awesome for NC State. The Wolfpack is definitely the team to watch next year. If Shaw is running this now as their 5th runner.....watch out!!!!! Henes is a very underrated coach in the NCAA.

Henes is overrated. She's always had stacked teams but they would ALWAYS underperform. It happened again this year in XC, they shouldn't have lost to BYU.

Can we stop the nonsense. There's so many factors involved that it's just the luck of the draw who ends up winning

NC State had a lot of injuries and they had a pretty good showing considering

There is no way they were going to beat BYU

Anyway she is definitely a good coach, they seem to have a good program. You talking about like 15 Runners and probably about seven or eight coaches and trainers and training staff so you have an almost 30 people working together

At the end of the day no one coach is really going to be the difference-maker but it's just going to be the luck of which team is healthy and peaking at the right time.

Can anyone explain how Savannah Shaw ran a 1540 but she was a minute and 1/2 off the pace at Cross Country championships

I get that was a tough course but if she's that fast how could she be that far behind the leaders? Is she just really improving and having a great couple of weeks right now or something? What the top finishers at cross-country be able to run a 5k and most of them had like 15-30 1540 top times? It's interesting doesn't seem to quite compute

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Can anyone explain how Savannah Shaw ran a 1540 but she was a minute and 1/2 off the pace at Cross Country championships

I get that was a tough course but if she's that fast how could she be that far behind the leaders? Is she just really improving and having a great couple of weeks right now or something? What the top finishers at cross-country be able to run a 5k and most of them had like 15-30 1540 top times? It's interesting doesn't seem to quite compute

I think some people are just better runners on XC courses, while others are on the track. Just for an example, Chmiel always runs better in XC than her (good) track times would indicate. Perhaps Shaw is the opposite. Perhaps she just can't handle hills? Perhaps the required very fast start in XC hurts her? Who knows? But yes, the 15:40 was a great time.

Luck? Are you insane? Could Ohio State women have won? How about Virginia? Why hold nationals if it is all luck? NAU men sure have a lot of luck over the past 5 years. NC State has twice the talent of NC State but coaching is recruiting and daily coaching. The best women's coach is at BYU and the best men's coach is at NAU.

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7empest wrote:

Savannah Shaw just went 15:40 in the 5k for 3rd place and looked awesome for NC State. The Wolfpack is definitely the team to watch next year. If Shaw is running this now as their 5th runner.....watch out!!!!! Henes is a very underrated coach in the NCAA.

Henes is overrated. She's always had stacked teams but they would ALWAYS underperform. It happened again this year in XC, they shouldn't have lost to BYU.

No disrespect but you have no idea what you are talking about! That NC State even got second shows how good of a coach Henes is.....there is no way they should have won, yet they almost did despite all the obstacles Henes had to deal with. She had the ACC CC champion (who was their #1) go down sick for over a month and have 20 some days of running before NCAA’s, you have Tuohy recovering from surgery and getting back in shape (still not back in total shape yet), and then you have Starliper who has not been able to get to the line yet...... but still get 2nd?!?!?! That’s good coaching! The only way they “should” have won was with a healthy Tuohy, Dominique, and Starliper.... that would have been lights out for BYU and a dominant National title for the Wolfpack!!!

And if you look at what she has done with Savannah Shaw alone tells you how good of a coach she is.......Shaw was not even in the same category as Starliper and Parks in PA in HS, and now look at her, a 15:40 5k runner as a JR!!!!

If all the above are ready to go next year, Steelman and Chmiel repeat performances from this year, a confident 15:40 Shaw....NC State could put 5 runners in the top 10 and for sure 6 runners in the top 25. Sounds like good coaching, development, and recruiting to me?!?!?!

Being from PA, I can tell you that hills do not bother a PA runner from the Pittsburgh area! Shaw should have been able to run with Parks and Starliper in HS but lacked the MOST IMPORTANT thing in Running: CONFIDENCE!!!! My prediction is that this was a career changing race for her and you will see her running with NC State’s top runners from now on with a new found confidence!!! Actually I think she will be better than Chmiel, which makes the Wolfpack freakin scary next year!

CrispyChicken wrote:

PAresi wrote:

Being from PA, I can tell you that hills do not bother a PA runner from the Pittsburgh area! Shaw should have been able to run with Parks and Starliper in HS but lacked the MOST IMPORTANT thing in Running: CONFIDENCE!!!! My prediction is that this was a career changing race for her and you will see her running with NC State’s top runners from now on with a new found confidence!!! Actually I think she will be better than Chmiel, which makes the Wolfpack freakin scary next year!

Also note Quarzno starting to move up.

LaTour also with a good steeplechase. Coach Henes is clearly doing something right.

agree-being a minute back in cross isn't such a huge a gap on a tough course. Some people just aren't big cross runners; we had a few guys on our college team that were good track and road runners, but just couldn't run cross well regardless of conditions....

Still a solid performance by the Wolfpack considering injuries etc; I agree it would have taken everything to line up just right to beat BYU.

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Luck? Are you insane? Could Ohio State women have won? How about Virginia? Why hold nationals if it is all luck? NAU men sure have a lot of luck over the past 5 years. NC State has twice the talent of NC State but coaching is recruiting and daily coaching. The best women's coach is at BYU and the best men's coach is at NAU.

I didn't mean luck as in anyone can win

I meant that it was bad luck for NC State that one of their best Runners got sick and ended up finishing 50 spots lower than she would have

If you reverse things and that happened to BYU than NC State would have won and BYU would have finished second

I meant luck in that sense there's a lot of factors that no one has any control over like sickness and injury and lots of other things

Anyway it's pretty out there to start complaining about a coach who just won coach of the year in her conference and region

My point was that at the end of the day as long as you're reasonable and not clearly doing dumb stuff it really comes down to your Runners and how well they do and whether they're injury-free and sickness free

I mean obviously a coach makes a difference but I'm just saying there's a ton of people involved and at the end of the day as long as you're a reasonable person it's not going to be that big of a difference

When the winning team wins by 70 points that's the way it's going to be.

Looks like a good coach to me. Look at her rallying the troops! She's holding a course map, demonstrating some sort of death grip! What more can a coach do? Seems to have all bases covered. Guess she could have stood at the finish line and tackle the opposing team Runners before they finished. But who knows there might be some rule against that or something.

All I did was praise the best coaches. You still didn't do that. It isn't luck that BYU runners don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs, don't have premarital sex, get plenty of sleep, and they are appreciative. Why do you think BYU teams are so good? It is not luck. Those things are proven to increase immunity.

I'm responding to the guy that said hennes is overrated

That's great that BYU live the healthy lifestyle. I think most of these teams do

It's not like BYU wins every year or anything, wasn't this the first win for the women in a while.

Anyway the conversation had nothing to do with the BYU coach or the BYU lifestyle but someone just attacked the NC state coach for no reason and that's what everyone was responding to

You are indirectly doing the same thing by saying that BYU hasn't won in a while. She is the best coach in women's NCAA XC.