Grant Fisher will have American 5000m record by end of year

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Rojo, Cheptegei was rabbited for 5000m: he had the pacing lights. Why do you think he was able to click off metronomic 60+s laps?

You really don't think Fisher could have run something like 12:57 with a more even pace? He closed in 55 and didn't look too gassed at the end. He was mostly just focused on finally out-kicking Marc Scott.

It's amazing how consistently bad your takes are.

What would Tegenkamp or Solinsky have run with even pace, super shoes and pacing lights?

querious wrote:

` wrote:

Rojo, Cheptegei was rabbited for 5000m: he had the pacing lights. Why do you think he was able to click off metronomic 60+s laps?

You really don't think Fisher could have run something like 12:57 with a more even pace? He closed in 55 and didn't look too gassed at the end. He was mostly just focused on finally out-kicking Marc Scott.

It's amazing how consistently bad your takes are.

What would Tegenkamp or Solinsky have run with even pace, super shoes and pacing lights?

In my opinion, the wave lights contributed MUCH more to Cheptegei's WR than the "super shoes".

Did Teg and Chris not have even pacing for their 5ks? I don't remember.

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querious wrote:

What would Tegenkamp or Solinsky have run with even pace, super shoes and pacing lights?

In my opinion, the wave lights contributed MUCH more to Cheptegei's WR than the "super shoes".

Did Teg and Chris not have even pacing for their 5ks? I don't remember.

They did not. I mean, how old are you?

querious wrote:

` wrote:

In my opinion, the wave lights contributed MUCH more to Cheptegei's WR than the "super shoes".

Did Teg and Chris not have even pacing for their 5ks? I don't remember.

They did not. I mean, how old are you?

I legitimately don't remember their 5k PRs. I've been around the block, I definitely watched them, I just remember nothing about those races.

bugattiaron wrote:

Hot take. I think the American record is a bit too tall of an order for this year, but he's fantastic and a lock-in for the Olympic team, and at the rate he's going I think he's got an outside chance at a medal. His early and powerful kick last night proves he can throw down with the Africans in a 12:50-13:00 paced race, which is what it takes to be a serious medal contender

Grant's obviously progressing beautifully, and it's a hell of a lot of fun to watch, but to say he's 'a lock' for the Olympic team is idiotic.

In case you haven't noticed, we've got a whole slew of guys at 13-flat or very close now.

Kincaid, Lopez, & Centro have all gone faster. McG and Klecker are right there. Ben True just ran 27:14, despite being 75 years old, and told us he thinks he's in better 5000 shape, so he's probably right there, too.

That's seven guys right off the bat (including Grant) who look to be very close together right now, and that's omitting a whole bunch of others. (Including Bor and Chelimo, obviously, for starters.)

Yeah, some of them will run other distances, but it could easily be that six or more of these names decide the 5 is their best shot, and we could easily end up with 6, or 8, or even 10 guys with a plausible chance to run 13-low or better.

Grant's doing great, and he'll obviously be a top contender, but making the team at either 5 or 10 is gonna be brutal this year.

The competition will be far faster, far deeper than it's ever been before.

The only 'lock' on US distance teams right now is named Rupp. He's the only guy who's clearly far ahead of his competition. (Maybe Jager too, but even he may find this year that he's got some guys ready to really push him, for the first time in like 8 years.)

querious wrote:

` wrote:

In my opinion, the wave lights contributed MUCH more to Cheptegei's WR than the "super shoes".

Did Teg and Chris not have even pacing for their 5ks? I don't remember.

They did not. I mean, how old are you?

Googled some...

According to a recap from Letsrun, the splits for the leader(s) of the DN Galan 5000m were 2:33-2:33-2:39-2:39-2:29. This doesn’t seem terribly uneven. In fact, it’s pretty much how one would expect a DL race to be paced. The recap said the fast early pace strung the field out early, which is good. A post on the race thread during the race said that “Solinsky stayed off the surges.” So he most likely was a second or two back early on, but was right there with 300m to go. He was probably 2:34-2:34-2:38-2:38-2:31. Nothing a sub-13:00 (and 7:34 3K) guy can’t handle. He was 25 years 8 months old for this race.

This was the race Rupp got tripped up, hit the rail and fell with 1000m to go.

Official Results - Men - 5000 Metres

Pos Athlete Nat Mark

1 Mark Kosgey Kiptoo KEN 12:53.46

2 Dejen Gebremeskel ETH 12:53.56

3 Imane Merga ETH 12:53.58

4 Eliud Kipchoge KEN 12:54.36

5 Chris Solinsky USA 12:55.53

6 Vincent Kiprop Chepkok KEN 12:58.17

7 Titus Kipjumba Mbishei KEN 13:00.04

8 Augustine Kiprono Choge KEN 13:04.64

9 Thomas Pkemei Longosiwa KEN 13:05.60

10 Vincent Kipsegechi Yator KEN 13:06.15

11 Joseph Ebuya KEN 13:13.14

12 Mathew Kipkoech Kisorio KEN 13:14.72

13 Ed Moran USA 13:20.25

14 James Kwalia C'Kurui QAT 13:21.05

15 Juan van Deventer RSA 13:22.64

16 Yusuf Kibet Biwott KEN 13:25.03

17 Lucas Kimeli Rotich KEN 13:31.89

18 Collis Birmingham AUS 13:31.96

Gideon Gathimba KEN DNF

Galen Rupp USA DNF

Suleiman Kipses Simotwo KEN DNF

registered wrote:

"Rojo, Cheptegei was rabbited for 5000m: he had the pacing lights. Why do you think he was able to click off metronomic 60+s laps?"

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So you think the pacing lights broke the wind for Cheptegei?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

My predictions:

1. Marc Scott 13:00

2. Grant Fisher 13:02

3. Sean McGorty 13:04

Jballer33 predictions:

1. Oliver Hoare 13:18

2. Grant Fisher

3. Woody Kincaid

Reality:

1. Grant Fisher 13:02

2. Marc Scott 13:05

3. Sean McGorty 13:06

...

7. Oliver Hoare 13:22

Woody Kincaid DNF (pacer)

You were all wrong.

Everyone keeps trying to predict shi*t. Just enjoy the race.

Linsanity wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

My predictions:

1. Marc Scott 13:00

2. Grant Fisher 13:02

3. Sean McGorty 13:04

Jballer33 predictions:

1. Oliver Hoare 13:18

2. Grant Fisher

3. Woody Kincaid

Reality:

1. Grant Fisher 13:02

2. Marc Scott 13:05

3. Sean McGorty 13:06

...

7. Oliver Hoare 13:22

Woody Kincaid DNF (pacer)

You were all wrong.

Everyone keeps trying to predict shi*t. Just enjoy the race.

Eh, I was fairly close wasn’t I?

Speculation has long been a part of sports fandom. I’m sure it keeps the lights on here at LetsRun.

One thing for sure; Fisher is enjoying training with BTC, being able to race, and his results. Like any athlete, they set their goals high, try their best to achieve them, and then set even higher goals.

Another thing for sure; I am enjoying watching US runners racing again and am thankful to the teams, individuals and groups that have made these races happen during very difficult times in recent human history. For this and this alone, there is no need but to be positive towards those who make the effort.

Watching and listening to Fisher, and McGorty, and Klecker - I am thoroughly impressed in the way they conduct themselves on and off of the track. All three of these guys progression has been fantastic. With continued great coaching and staying healthy they will only get better.

Can Fisher break the US 5000 m record? Absolutely he can. When will he? Under the right circumstances in the next year or two he very well could. I would never underestimate him. The US Olympic Trails in several distances are going to be tough for anyone to make given the incredible depth of US men’s distance running today. I think Fisher will make the team.

It's great that you feel validated for believing in Fisher and seeing your hopes come to fruition. But I'm not sure why you see T&F fandom as a zero-sum game, requiring Fisher's contemporaries to be "taken down" in order for Fisher's success to be properly appreciated. Seems pretty juvenile and clearly Knight's recent accomplishments have been shown to hold water.

I'll repost my comment from the King Ches thread, as it seems to answer your attempt at a HOT TAKE perfectly:

objectiveobserver wrote:

registered wrote:

"Rojo, Cheptegei was rabbited for 5000m: he had the pacing lights. Why do you think he was able to click off metronomic 60+s laps?"

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So you think the pacing lights broke the wind for Cheptegei?

Exactly! The pacing lights are helpful *if* you can run the pace. They are meaningless if you're struggling to stay 10-12 meters behind.

The value of real pacers is tucking-in and not having to spend extra energy pushing through the air. That's why Chep's records are impressive: he did it alone for the the 2nd half of the race, nobody to share pacing so he could get behind.

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rememberer wrote:

Knight's best 1500 is from 2018. 3:36.07. Not close to beating that anytime soon. Best 5000 is 13:09 in 2019. No indication he's beating that any time soon. Especially after a lowly 7:44 3000 last month. But thanks for your input uninformed boy.

Oh, so you're officially a moron.

Yeah that poster is off the rocker. Knight is running great.

I see your point, but I respectfully disagree. I think Grant is running better and smarter than all those guys. He's been running faster times, demonstrating superior consistency, a superior kick, and he's looking better and more relaxed than them while doing it. I truly believe he's gotten too good to not make the team, barring disaster.

I like how he called your opinion “idiotic” and you chose to “respectfully disagree.” You’re a stronger man than me.

Put me somewhere in between you two. “Lock” is a strong word, but I actually believe, a bit to my surprise, that he’s now the single most likely guy to make the U.S. 5k team.

no.

if you bring your a game to europe on the right track, the 1302 and perfect hoover race translates 10 secs faster, no doubt.

as in moe farah ran 328... in monaco, which is really 332 maybe in "regular" circumstances.

rememberer wrote:

Knight's best 1500 is from 2018. 3:36.07. Not close to beating that anytime soon.

Ahem...

John Wesley Harding wrote:

rememberer wrote:

Knight's best 1500 is from 2018. 3:36.07. Not close to beating that anytime soon.

Ahem...

Lol. I don't know why people had been sleeping on Knight. He's been running great in the few races he did in 2020/2021 at the time of this thread.

rememberer wrote:

I remember when some LRC fanboys were all over Cheserek and Knight's nut a couple of years ago. Talking down on Fisher. Well, just as expected Cheserek and Knight are going nowhere and Fisher is so far ahead and so much better than both now.

rememberer wrote:

` wrote:

As the head Fisher fanboy on this board, I will not put up with unneeded Knight slander.

Yes, bash Ches, Drew Hunter, etc (hell, even Morgan McDonald) but Knight is actually doing well and has shown no signs of stagnation. It just makes you look uninformed.

Knight's best 1500 is from 2018. 3:36.07. Not close to beating that anytime soon. Best 5000 is 13:09 in 2019. No indication he's beating that any time soon. Especially after a lowly 7:44 3000 last month. But thanks for your input uninformed boy.

Jussssst wanna make sure we have the full context here on the Fisher Fanboi extrodinaire rememberer pretending that Knight was out to pasture.