coaches do p;an wrote:
That's like saying Muhammad Ali didn't win the olympic boxing title in 1960, Cassius Clay did. It really makes no difference, they're the same person just with different names (and in the case of Elliot and Caitlyn different gender identities)
I don't know. Did a woman win the 76 decathlon gold medal?
Joe is probably gonna make him/her an advisor.
The left worships freaks and deviants.
runnerboy70 wrote:
Joe is probably gonna make him/her an advisor.
The left worships freaks and deviants.
Does he have that power in Canada?
I still think Robin Williams should retroactively win every category for Mrs. Doubtfire.
Of course she did:
Rainy Day wrote:
she’s the first transgender person I know of that seems to be pretty emotionally stable.
...
My only other real frame of reference is Bruce Jenner and he seemed pretty unstable for years before becoming Caitlyn.
So, your only "knowledge" whatsover of a trans person is celebrity media stories about one person...
And you feel compelled to note that the **second** person in your "frame of reference" is the "first you know of that seems to be pretty emotionally stable."
Why don't you just STFU about people and things you know nothing about?
coach wrote:
I don't know. Did a woman win the 76 decathlon gold medal?
Hm. That's a good question.
I guess one way to look at it is it was a man's body with a woman's mind controlling it. Apparently Caitlyn has felt transgender since she was very young.
Dwightarm wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
"Queer" has been around long before the internet. What is it if it isn't the opposite of "straight"?
Reading your posts on here, I get that you're trying to play Mary contrarian. To which, i don't care, do ur thing.
I DO however want to point out that queer does NOT mean 'the opposite of straight.'
It typically means 'not hetereosexual cis gender.'
Elliott can be a trans man or a non-binary and still consider themself queer - even if married to a woman.
Simple as that.
Not quite. What is "straight" if not "heterosexual cisgender"?
I dont doubt that Elliot is queer. But he is not a queer man. Queer men are not in lesbian relationships.
I guess that makes me bisexual because I find him attractive??
Armstronglivs wrote:
Dwightarm wrote:
Reading your posts on here, I get that you're trying to play Mary contrarian. To which, i don't care, do ur thing.
I DO however want to point out that queer does NOT mean 'the opposite of straight.'
It typically means 'not hetereosexual cis gender.'
Elliott can be a trans man or a non-binary and still consider themself queer - even if married to a woman.
Simple as that.
Not quite. What is "straight" if not "heterosexual cisgender"?
I dont doubt that Elliot is queer. But he is not a queer man. Queer men are not in lesbian relationships.
I’ve seen no indication that he considers himself a lesbian. If you have, however, please include it.
*post transitioning.
Dwightarm wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Not quite. What is "straight" if not "heterosexual cisgender"?
I dont doubt that Elliot is queer. But he is not a queer man. Queer men are not in lesbian relationships.
I’ve seen no indication that he considers himself a lesbian. If you have, however, please include it.
His partner is a lesbian. For years, when Elliot was Ellen, he was therefore in a lesbian relationship. As he is biologically female you might say he is still lesbian. He also says to be saying that when he says he is "queer". That he now says he is Elliot doesn't make him a straight male. I think I know what that is - and he definitely isn't that. It also doesn't seem to make him a queer male - as he isn't into guys. Quite a role he now seems to be playing. But then he is an actor.
cunfused wrote:
I guess that makes me bisexual because I find him attractive??
Whatever rocks your boat.
I can't believe anybody thought she was good in "Inception".
Armstronglivs wrote:
Dwightarm wrote:
I’ve seen no indication that he considers himself a lesbian. If you have, however, please include it.
His partner is a lesbian. For years, when Elliot was Ellen, he was therefore in a lesbian relationship. As he is biologically female you might say he is still lesbian. He also says to be saying that when he says he is "queer". That he now says he is Elliot doesn't make him a straight male. I think I know what that is - and he definitely isn't that. It also doesn't seem to make him a queer male - as he isn't into guys. Quite a role he now seems to be playing. But then he is an actor.
You’re still not getting it. Being a queer male does not necessarily mean he would be into guys.
Armstronglivs wrote:
So Ellen made a successful career for years playing the parts of females because that was the identity assigned to her and not the one she chose? To now become Elliot seems less like finding his true identity than the assumption of another role - which is what actors do.
Seriously, transgender activists need better arguments than this.
How was her gender 'assigned' to her.... it wasn't. She was born a female, and now feels that she wants to be a man instead. There is no assigning going on, just the choice of someone's mental state of mind.
The same way DID person etc is affected by the mental state, waiting for a counter to that argument.
I'm not questioning that mental state, but if you accept that people have 'mental' choices, or feelings or whatever that makes them want to be something other than the biological assignment, then its a fallacy to go along with all the 'equality' BS.
Equality is for people who are what they are because of birth and circumstance.
Dwightarm wrote:
*post transitioning.
I wouldn't call a thought change a transition. That's sort of like converting to a new religion. Nothing actually happens.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Dwightarm wrote:
Reading your posts on here, I get that you're trying to play Mary contrarian. To which, i don't care, do ur thing.
I DO however want to point out that queer does NOT mean 'the opposite of straight.'
It typically means 'not hetereosexual cis gender.'
Elliott can be a trans man or a non-binary and still consider themself queer - even if married to a woman.
Simple as that.
Not quite. What is "straight" if not "heterosexual cisgender"?
I dont doubt that Elliot is queer. But he is not a queer man. Queer men are not in lesbian relationships.
I don't really understand your points....who here said straight isn't heterosexual cisgender ? I'm just trying to understand your actual argument and context....
You seem to be getting hung up again with terms like "man" and "lesbian", what point are you actually trying to make ?
Is it simply that you don't doubt Elliot is queer ? In that case, I think all good, we can go home now ;D.
master of this domain wrote:
Rainy Day wrote:
she’s the first transgender person I know of that seems to be pretty emotionally stable.
...
My only other real frame of reference is Bruce Jenner and he seemed pretty unstable for years before becoming Caitlyn.
So, your only "knowledge" whatsover of a trans person is celebrity media stories about one person...
And you feel compelled to note that the **second** person in your "frame of reference" is the "first you know of that seems to be pretty emotionally stable."
Why don't you just STFU about people and things you know nothing about?
Did I strike a nerve with you? How many transgender people do you know personally? I have never met a transgender person so I’m simply stating my limited viewpoint.
There is clearly a link to mental health issues, depression and suicide with transgender people. Is that innate or is it society’s reaction to them? I don’t know.
Rainy Day wrote:
There is clearly a link to mental health issues, depression and suicide with transgender people. Is that innate or is it society’s reaction to them? I don’t know.
There's 2 things (at least) there really, how do we define mental health issues (what may not have been an issue in the past, could now be labelled as one, even though the issue was already there), and then the issue itself.
I would assume that being transgender in itself isn't such an issue unless in the context of society (so ultimately unavoidable), and I would assume also that ties into how one is accepted in that society. In the case of LetsRun, pretty much not accepted unfortunately, and places like the board should accept more responsibility than they do (to my external knowledge, I may be wrong here).
Dwightarm wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
His partner is a lesbian. For years, when Elliot was Ellen, he was therefore in a lesbian relationship. As he is biologically female you might say he is still lesbian. He also says to be saying that when he says he is "queer". That he now says he is Elliot doesn't make him a straight male. I think I know what that is - and he definitely isn't that. It also doesn't seem to make him a queer male - as he isn't into guys. Quite a role he now seems to be playing. But then he is an actor.
You’re still not getting it. Being a queer male does not necessarily mean he would be into guys.
You're not getting it. Queer males are into guys - that's why they have always been called queer. For a guy to be into females is to be straight or "hetero". But then I don't see that someone who has lived as a female, biologically and socially, really knows what it is to be male; it is an identity that is imagined rather than experienced.