browski wrote:
Harambe wrote:
And a virus has already killed more in the USA than WWI did in 4 years.
Exactly. It's harrowing stuff!
This human actually thinks that an 80 year old life is worth the same as an 20 year old life.
and this human^ can't read!
post-truth world just got voted out, you have to actually respond to facts and to what people actually said now, now how you imagined it in your head.
i know....going to be a rough adjustment for some of you.
What "fact" am I not responding to?
browski wrote:
What "fact" am I not responding to?
the fact that the post you are responding to never makes the claim you are insinuating it does.
that fact.
Nobody is going to change anyone else’s mind after 8 months of this stuff.
My simple point is that it’s not deadly for 99+% of us. 250K people is not that much when you are talking a real pandemic. Of course I’m not saying the old or obese deserve to die, but they should be locking down, not the entire world.
It’s very difficult to compare the US versus homogeneous Asian nations that have much lower obesity rates and longer life expectancy than the US to begin with. Even more so with Island nations like New Zealand.
Even the experts can’t agree on the longevity and the magnitude of this virus, so I don’t think anyone on a running board has all the answers.
Bottom line is that people should make their own decisions. I choose to wear a mask indoors, but I’m not going to sit at home because a Newsome tells me to while he’s eating a $1,000 meal without a mask.
Yawn.
Wtf are you blabbering on about. 250k is not that much? This is the third leading cause of death in the USA right now after heart disease and cancer and we haven’t even seen the worst of it. Just stfu and admit your “no holds barred”, “somebody has to say it” approach to the world is actually a thinly veiled facade of cruelty, selfishness and probably blind support of executive branch incompetence.
I repeat, 2000 people died yesterday and that is acceptable to you?
Gimme a break. Don't believe that nonsense. Maybe 10% of that have died and they were all old or drug users.
250 000. Ooooo. Yeaaaa. From covid. Yeaaaa. You're selling but no one is buying.
Who let all you covid cultin, reality denying nutjobs out of the asylum?
Actually died with Covid....94% of whom had at least two other life threatening conditions.
With a median age of 82.
45% of whom were in nursing homes. Where the median life expectancy if five months.
How many of those 250k would still be alive if not for Covid?
The Unkle wrote:
Actually died with Covid....94% of whom had at least two other life threatening conditions.
With a median age of 82.
45% of whom were in nursing homes. Where the median life expectancy if five months.
How many of those 250k would still be alive if not for Covid?
Most of them judging by the YTD total death totals.
Nearly 300k more people than expected have died this year.
If all those Covid deaths were just people who were going to die this year anyway as you claim.....you would expect the total number of people who have died this year to be about what was expected.....so why are so many more people dying than normal this year?
Shoots a giant big ol hole in that theory of yours, don't it?
voted out, pants out wrote:
[quote]The Unkle wrote:
Actually died with Covid....94% of whom had at least two other life threatening conditions.
With a median age of 82.
45% of whom were in nursing homes. Where the median life expectancy if five months.
How many of those 250k would still be alive if not for Covid?
Most of them judging by the YTD total death totals.
So 45% of them in nursing homes where the median life expectancy is five months. Add in the fact that 94% of them are quite ill even without Covid. And the median age is 82.
Yet you claim most of these people would still be alive.
How is that possible?
[quote]voted out, pants out wrote:
[quote]The Unkle wrote:
Actually died with Covid....94% of whom had at least two other life threatening conditions.
Nearly 300k more people than expected have died this year.
So 250k Covid deaths resulted in 300k excess deaths?
Want to walk me thru the math on that one?
Nobody is committing fraud. The guidelines are just that broad. They basically say that anyone that had a positive COVID test can be considered a COVID death. Considering about 30% of the US population has likely already had this (based upon an IFR of 0.26%), that would mean roughly 2,340 of the 7,800 people that die on an average day in this country could be considered a COVID death.
“250,000 Americans have died from Covid”
No, they haven’t.
/thread
The Unkle wrote:
[quote]voted out, pants out wrote:
[quote]The Unkle wrote:
Actually died with Covid....94% of whom had at least two other life threatening conditions.
Nearly 300k more people than expected have died this year.
So 250k Covid deaths resulted in 300k excess deaths?
Want to walk me thru the math on that one?
Tbh pretty straightfoward. Not all deaths that are with/from covid will get registered as such, and some deaths are repercussions of people not seeking medical help for other reasons (avoiding hospitals etc).
And you are blaming all of those 300,000 on COVID alone. A good chunk of those are tied to people overdosing, not seeking treatment for other ailments due to fear of contracting COVID, etc. Pull up excess deaths with / without COVID and you will find a lot cannot be directly tied to COVID (because lockdowns kill people too and will continue to kill long after COVID dissipates.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Deniers simply don't believe the elderly, sick, or obese deserve to live. Got it. Ironically these are likely the same "conservatives" who should typically be more Christian? There must be a third book about letting the old, sick and obese die.
Alan
My elderly grandmother is 92 and had 3 ish years left to live no matter what. Maybe a little more or less. She decided rather than spending the next 6 or so months isolated which is a huge portion of her remaining life she would rather see her family and accept the risk and have Thanksgiving with her family. What say you to that sir?
Wrong. Harambe says she has 10 more years left.
highhoppingworm wrote:
Wtf are you blabbering on about. 250k is not that much? This is the third leading cause of death in the USA right now after heart disease and cancer and we haven’t even seen the worst of it. Just stfu and admit your “no holds barred”, “somebody has to say it” approach to the world is actually a thinly veiled facade of cruelty, selfishness and probably blind support of executive branch incompetence.
I repeat, 2000 people died yesterday and that is acceptable to you?
Good for you worm. Wear a mask, wash your hands, and STAY home! I repeat, you can't tell others what to do with their bodies.
I am paying attention to science wrote:
Wrong. Harambe says she has 10 more years left.
Sure. Because *averaging* having ten years remaining...means that everyone had *exactly* ten years remaining. Sure.
You're either ignorant of what "average" means--which I consider unlikely, you're smarter than that--or you misunderstood Harambe's posts (also unlikely IMO but perhaps more plausible)...or you knew what he meant and just deliberately misrepresented him anyway, making you either a) a troll or b) A FVCKIN' LIAR.
voted out, pants out wrote:
Shoots a giant big ol hole in that theory of yours, don't it?
TU, like dr and SV (and others), is a TROLL.
As with any troll, the best response is NONE. As an aside, I notice that many people are doing a good job of ignoring dr's posts--they should extend that to TU.