rojo wrote:
i do it wrote:
Ya considering Ryan’s strong stance against VFs, this is kind of hilarious. You ok with this, Ryan?
How is it hilarious?
It’s hilarious because he’s only “ok” with it now that it personally benefits him & his wife. That strong stance he had about VFs means jack sh$t now, as does any future hot take that comes out of his mouth.
That said, Ryan Hall is still the GOAT.
All you guys (not just "I do it") need to get off your high horses about Ryan Hall's statement. Rojo is right. It's not in the slightest hypocritical to bemoan the use of new technologies and at the same time ultimately using them in order to stay competitive. It would be Don Quixote-like not to use them.
How about a baseball analogy. I would hate it if Major League Baseball approved the use of aluminum bats in order to juice up offense in baseball, and I'd bet a ton of players would come out against it for the integrity of the game (and for safety reasons too). But I would have zero expectation that even the complaining players shouldn't then use aluminum bats. They might as well retire if they wouldn't use them, the difference is that significant. Sara Hall and Ryan are in the same boat.
Pretty much this ^^^^^
He spoke out against something when it put his wife at a disadvantage and now she has equipment that puts her on a more level playing field. He may not be the smartest guy around yet it's full-on idiotic to think he'd keep the same opinion with new information in significantly changed circumstances. He's not a hypocrite, these critics are all numbskulls who probably only hate RH and come after him by extension of their hatred for women like SH.
rojo wrote:
i do it wrote:
Ya considering Ryan’s strong stance against VFs, this is kind of hilarious. You ok with this, Ryan?
How is it hilarious? He was likely against the shoes as the kill of all historical appreciation of what a fast time is. However, when they then say they aren't getting rid of them, he'd be an idiot to not have his wife run in them.
Jonathan Gault has received a statement about her shoes. Here it is.
https://twitter.com/jgault13/status/1312900725026979840What does that mean to me? It means she's wearing another brand's shoe and Asics changed the upper. That's my best guess.
How did you come to the conclusion that it was another brand's midsole from that statement? All that statement says were that all of the rules were followed. You guys need to dig deeper into this because whatever loophole they used is certainly going to continue to be abused.
The Floyd wrote:
All you guys (not just "I do it") need to get off your high horses about Ryan Hall's statement. Rojo is right. It's not in the slightest hypocritical to bemoan the use of new technologies and at the same time ultimately using them in order to stay competitive. It would be Don Quixote-like not to use them.
How about a baseball analogy. I would hate it if Major League Baseball approved the use of aluminum bats in order to juice up offense in baseball, and I'd bet a ton of players would come out against it for the integrity of the game (and for safety reasons too). But I would have zero expectation that even the complaining players shouldn't then use aluminum bats. They might as well retire if they wouldn't use them, the difference is that significant. Sara Hall and Ryan are in the same boat.
It IS hypocritical to "bemoan the use of new technologies and at the same time ultimately using them in order to stay competitive" and then try to delete the original statement you made.
i do it wrote:
The Floyd wrote:
All you guys (not just "I do it") need to get off your high horses about Ryan Hall's statement. Rojo is right. It's not in the slightest hypocritical to bemoan the use of new technologies and at the same time ultimately using them in order to stay competitive. It would be Don Quixote-like not to use them.
How about a baseball analogy. I would hate it if Major League Baseball approved the use of aluminum bats in order to juice up offense in baseball, and I'd bet a ton of players would come out against it for the integrity of the game (and for safety reasons too). But I would have zero expectation that even the complaining players shouldn't then use aluminum bats. They might as well retire if they wouldn't use them, the difference is that significant. Sara Hall and Ryan are in the same boat.
It IS hypocritical to "bemoan the use of new technologies and at the same time ultimately using them in order to stay competitive" and then try to delete the original statement you made.
He didn't delete anything. Some poster was looking in the wrong place for it and said he deleted something when he didn't. It's still on instagram.
VaporBoi wrote:
How did you come to the conclusion that it was another brand's midsole from that statement? All that statement says were that all of the rules were followed. You guys need to dig deeper into this because whatever loophole they used is certainly going to continue to be abused.
Well let's think about this... say it was a prototype. Does that just mean that to race in a prototype, you just need to apply for an exemption? Well then that's what all the elites will be doing if they have a shoe company willing to work with them on a shoe specific for them.
Given all the stuff I've heard about elites secretly racing in VF's despite being sponsored by other companies, it doesn't seem nuts to think she ran in some shoe that was dressed up to be a different one, and since the "base" model was a kind that was approved, she was granted an exemption.
Maybe this will be the new trend now. Elites running in mystery shoes. Then the competition will be guessing about if it was the shoe, or if they really are that fit.
you do it wrong wrote:
i do it wrote:
It IS hypocritical to "bemoan the use of new technologies and at the same time ultimately using them in order to stay competitive" and then try to delete the original statement you made.
He didn't delete anything. Some poster was looking in the wrong place for it and said he deleted something when he didn't. It's still on instagram.
At least everyone running in VFs was clearly running in VFs. The fact that Sara ran in some unknown shoe and sought "special approval" is baloney. At the end of the day Ryan argued for greater transparency/fairness, and Sara ran in the most opaque/borderline shoes in all of London Town yesterday.
U RUBE wrote:
ultrawalker wrote:
Special approval? Sounds shady to me.
Moran is a person. Moron is what you call someone who you think is obtuse or stupid
Your a moran
help me break 16 wrote:
VaporBoi wrote:
How did you come to the conclusion that it was another brand's midsole from that statement? All that statement says were that all of the rules were followed. You guys need to dig deeper into this because whatever loophole they used is certainly going to continue to be abused.
Well let's think about this... say it was a prototype. Does that just mean that to race in a prototype, you just need to apply for an exemption? Well then that's what all the elites will be doing if they have a shoe company willing to work with them on a shoe specific for them.
Given all the stuff I've heard about elites secretly racing in VF's despite being sponsored by other companies, it doesn't seem nuts to think she ran in some shoe that was dressed up to be a different one, and since the "base" model was a kind that was approved, she was granted an exemption.
Maybe this will be the new trend now. Elites running in mystery shoes. Then the competition will be guessing about if it was the shoe, or if they really are that fit.
That is exactly why I said Rojo should look into the rules and the specifics of what happened. I don't know why we should give World Athletics the benefit of the doubt at this point as they have continually allowed everyone to skirt the rules without punishment.
Not sure how to verify this but it sounds like maybe World Athletics allowed the prototype exemption due to "disruption caused by the coronavirus pandemic" which sounds like it was actually an Asics prototype:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CF-OHu-H0HX/Honestly, the prototype rule should be scrapped, for three reasons:
1) Whether there's a level playing field has NEVER had anything to do with whether a shoe is a prototype. It has to do with who your sponsor is. Adidas athletes aren't going to run in Vaporflys, even if they can buy them on every street corner.
2) Part of the value proposition of sponsoring elites is having them run in prototypes. The brands get feedback from their pro runners and when the pro runner debuts a new shoe, it creates buzz for when the general public can get it in 6 months.
3) Elite athletes have worn prototypes and custom shoes for the entire history of the sport. Roger Bannister had a custom pair of ultra-light spikes, designed to last for only a few races, when he ran the first 4-minute mile. Pro athletes have been wearing plated racers for over 20 years, and many of those shoes were prototypes or custom. Asics has shoes made to custom lasts for their elites. In other words, the Vaporfly didn't suddenly initiate a new era of athletes running in prototypes.
moefarah wrote:
U RUBE wrote:
Moran is a person. Moron is what you call someone who you think is obtuse or stupid
Your a moran
You can't even get around quote tags accurately, you moran.
"Medical exemption" my ass.