Seth DeMoor's Golden Trail Series FKT Goes Down Just Two Days Later!!

So much whining on this thread. Seth lost. Get over it. Seth didn't even run a good time as evidenced by an out of shape Joe crushing it by 6 mins. Seth fanboys go home devastated.

Seth's time still stands on the FKT boards as Self-Supported FKT. Joe Gray's time is listed as Supported FKT. Unfortunately for Seth, the Strava segment only cares about the time on the clock.

Golden Trail Series races have aid stations, so they are supported runs, and putting down a supported time on a segment isn't against the rules of their Golden Ticket segment challenge.

And if Joe taking Seth's FKT after two days is rude, isn't Seth taking Darren Thomas' FKT after 3 days also rude? Or is it fine because Darren doesn't have a YouTube channel?

Listen Up wrote:

Seth's time still stands on the FKT boards as Self-Supported FKT. Joe Gray's time is listed as Supported FKT. Unfortunately for Seth, the Strava segment only cares about the time on the clock.

Golden Trail Series races have aid stations, so they are supported runs, and putting down a supported time on a segment isn't against the rules of their Golden Ticket segment challenge.

And if Joe taking Seth's FKT after two days is rude, isn't Seth taking Darren Thomas' FKT after 3 days also rude? Or is it fine because Darren doesn't have a YouTube channel?

No one cares about Joe Gray beating Seth's time, that's totally legit.

It's about Sage helping him in a sneaky way and pacing him.

And no one likes Sage on this forum anyway.

So it's just more ammunition.

I found it interesting that Seth did not mention Joe by name in today's video. I thought he was interesting in pushing the sport forward. Seth should be happy that someone ran a new FKT on the Boulder Skyline Traverse. It's bringing more attention to the sport...right?

running run wrote:

It's bringing more attention to the sport...right?

...but it is not bringing butter to his bread.

Isn't there some catholic value that we could call him on, and initiate an episode of catholic guilt?

Listen Up wrote:

And if Joe taking Seth's FKT after two days is rude, isn't Seth taking Darren Thomas' FKT after 3 days also rude? Or is it fine because Darren doesn't have a YouTube channel?

There's no point trying logic with people like this. These people are cultists, thats why they are called 'followers'. Its a mental illness that many are afflicted with.

Basically, fair play to Joe Gray for the top time. Within the rules. He ran the fastest so far.

Just kinda cringe with the humblebrag.

All to it really? Or all that it should be?

Pacing isn't sneaky. It's a well-known part of putting down FKTs since Peter Bakwin and Buzz Burrell established the format in the 80s.

Do some research before you try to talk.

Agreed that pacing isn't sneaky, but persuading a world class runner from out of town to visit Boulder just to shatter the dreams of a rival, and then providing all the local expertise necessary to ensure it happens , is pretty sneaky . If he at least did his own dirty work and beat the record himself it would be more acceptable

If only there was evidence for you to back up that that was his intention. Joe asked Sage for intel.

And getting intel and pacing on an FKT is just plain, good strategy.

But I get it, you guys get bored quickly here without making drama for yourselves to whine about.

running run wrote:

I found it interesting that Seth did not mention Joe by name in today's video. I thought he was interesting in pushing the sport forward. Seth should be happy that someone ran a new FKT on the Boulder Skyline Traverse. It's bringing more attention to the sport...right?

I noticed he did not mention Joe either, but was it a coincidence he chose to run Gray's Peak today? Perhaps that was his subtle hat-tip to Joe.

I'm confident Seth can make up the 6 minutes and change to regain the segment lead.

He just needs have an extra helping of eggs and bacon the night before and run the trail on "Pure Hate" while thinking about Sage's vegan diet. Also, he should run it on October 1 or the last day to qualify for the Golden Ticket trail race.

1 JOEGEEZI G Sep 22, 2020 9:01/mi - 2:32:40

2 Seth James DeMoor Sep 20, 2020 9:23/mi 164bpm 2:38:46

https://www.strava.com/segments/24151552

Distance

16.93mi

Avg Grade

0%

Lowest Elev

5,461ft

Highest Elev

8,510ft

Elev Difference

3,049ft

27 Attempts By 31 People

Sethtube wrote:

I noticed he did not mention Joe either, but was it a coincidence he chose to run Gray's Peak today? Perhaps that was his subtle hat-tip to Joe.

I think it's a little too subtle to register except for the most attentive of dogwhistle-listeners, when a straightforward hat tip would suffice. Kind of like seeing a Republican wearing a blue tie or vice-versa: "see, they are at least subtly hinting at the need to reach across the aisle!" Uh, hold yer horses.

Aren't we always gooshing over seth having great values because he's super catholic? Wouldn't he go up and (virtually) shake the man's hand who bested him, with honor?

If it is anything at all, his running Grays is a subtle hat tip that says "this is the biggest gesture I'm able to make right now; Joe, you can notice it or not."

Aren't we always gooshing over seth having great values because he's super catholic? Wouldn't he go up and (virtually) shake the man's hand who bested him, with honor?

Absolutely he should. When you title one of your past vlogs "Running Pikes Peak With Joe Gray", at least give the man credit where credit is due:

Sage did not pace him the entire way. Gray should not have registered it as "supported". Gray ran alone most of the run and Sage ran behind him a bit and pointed in direction. My gf and I saw Gray on Green mt Tuesday and sage was no where to be found. Plus, how are we to know if anyone gets paced or not and does it even matter? You have to run the route with your own 2 legs!

How come nobody was criticizing Seth when his brother paced him for fkts this summer? Why no uproar about seth breaking Darren's fkt 3 days after he set it? Who cares about being sneaky, this is competitive running not holding hands and singing in a park people!

It would be like a guy running a 1:15 half marathon and then you running a 2:30 marathon. Later he beats you in a race and then starts saying he’s out of shape and he just happened to be on the start line and accidentally finished.

That’s how joe is coming across. His 2019 ascent time was seths 2020 ascent split in the marathon. He didn’t accidentally do the fly and he’s not out of shape. His comments just seem condescending like a jealous kid. Like the sorry, not sorry brats

Not exactly sure why Gray or Sage should be jealous? Seth ran a race in which Gray nor Sage were in, kudos to him for his time but he didn't beat anyone in reality. Whenever he toes line with either guy seth loses so i highly doubt Gray is jealous. Just look at their accomplishments, there is no comparison. When Gray decided to run this route what did people expect? Did you really think seth would be faster than gray? Also seth ran 2:09 up but 1:27 or so down for the marathon? Gray would have beaten him easily even if by chance he went up slower. Gray broke the boulder traverse record with stronger climbs than seth "out of shape". Not sure i buy he is out of shape but maybe out of shape for the distance.

Why wouldn't you wait until the last day to run so you know what time you have to beat?

old news wrote:

It would be like a guy running a 1:15 half marathon and then you running a 2:30 marathon. Later he beats you in a race and then starts saying he’s out of shape and he just happened to be on the start line and accidentally finished.

That’s how joe is coming across. His 2019 ascent time was seths 2020 ascent split in the marathon. He didn’t accidentally do the fly and he’s not out of shape. His comments just seem condescending like a jealous kid. Like the sorry, not sorry brats

Not at all, because they ran the same distance on the skyline, and head to head on Pike's in 2019 Joe smoked him by 3 minutes.

And his 2019 ascent time was faster than Seth's ascent split. Pretty easy to fact check. Also Joe's 2019 ascent time is 4 minutes off his best ascent time, so why cling to 2019 to compare apples to oranges?

On the Boulder Skyline, Joe was 2 minutes ahead by the first summit, so "sorry, not sorry brats," he owned that route trailhead to trailhead.