JAKOB I. to attend World Half in Poland against Kamwo and Cheptegei.

As Sondre Norstad Moen has a sprint hill workout each week, I am sure Jakob I has something similar as well. Perhaps you wouldn't call that a workout to develop kick, but higher top end speed certainly helps at the end if you meet someone with similar lactate levels but lower top end speed. Obviously there are more ways than that to improve a kick, e.g simulating it in a workout and more.

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

updatefacts wrote:

Actually, his treshold pace is now 2.40 min pr.km with a lactate level of aroundt 2.0, that is extremely good. He obviously has the aerobic fitness to run sub 60 in well paced race. The only thing he might lack is resistance to 21km on asphalt.

Jakob has the engine to run 58:30 already. He lacks the specific training for a really fast half, but you have to realise, his engine will only get bigger, and once he focuses on 10,000m-HM, maybe in 5-6 years, who knows, he might get really close to 58' in a very good race.

As for now, given the course and his preparation..i would predict 60:10 in Gdynia, and 58:50 if he run in Valencia(December).

I dont need to realise anything, you basically just confirms my post. He has the engine and the only thing lacking is specific HM training.

You as a plural term for those who don't think he can run a very fast half. Sorry for the confusion.

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

You as a plural term for those who don't think he can run a very fast half. Sorry for the confusion.

No worries!

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

You as a plural term for those who don't think he can run a very fast half. Sorry for the confusion.

We actually have a pronoun for that to avoid confusion, it's called "y'all".

Is there an argument in there somewhere? Is increased cadence not the key to a good sprint and/or kick?

That video someone posted of Jakob "outkicking" an out of shape has-been Centro was silly. That was no kick, he just jogged faster against a field he easily outclassed.

Doesn't work against Potato Tim and won't get him to 3:25.

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The video´s 17 year old Jakob not only outsprinted "an out of shape has-been Centro" but also a Paul Chelimo, Eric Jenkins, Colby Alexander, Craig Engels and Grant Fisher.

Centro and Engels were 1500m finalists and Chelimo 5000m finalist in Doha more than one year later. So not exactly "has-beens".

But they were possible just all out of shape in 2018 where the video was recorded!?

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Hasn´t worked against Timothy YET. We will see next year!

He has had 2 races against truly top flight competition this year (1500 and 3000) and has been out kicked in both races off an honest pace. It doesn’t seem like there is much to argue here...

Jakob is not the best finisher in the world; Jakob is more like a "stayer" (as El-G) but not with the sprinting ability Timothy has.

BUT........................ Jakob is not a bad finisher either. No one (other than Elijah) has beaten Timothy in the 1500m for years. Jakob has been the only one close this year. And Jakob wins if Timothy is absent.

And Jakob has - as a teenager - been good enough to outsprint all the top US runners - in shape or not - for years in the 1500m and the 5000m !

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Jakob will be fast enough to break WRs from 1500m and upwards. He "just" have to continue his efficient, long term, mainly aerobic training.

objectiveobserver wrote:

Hasn´t worked against Timothy YET. We will see next year!

Its not lack of speed, its lack of specific endurance. Timothy beats Jakob because he is in better shape, as evident by his crazy Monaco race. In a fast race the runner who is the least tired will seem like the one with the most speed, but its in slow (er) races you will actually see who has finishing speed.

objectiveobserver wrote:

Jakob is not the best finisher in the world; Jakob is more like a "stayer" (as El-G) but not with the sprinting ability Timothy has.

BUT........................ Jakob is not a bad finisher either. No one (other than Elijah) has beaten Timothy in the 1500m for years. Jakob has been the only one close this year. And Jakob wins if Timothy is absent.

And Jakob has - as a teenager - been good enough to outsprint all the top US runners - in shape or not - for years in the 1500m and the 5000m !

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Jakob will be fast enough to break WRs from 1500m and upwards. He "just" have to continue his efficient, long term, mainly aerobic training.

His father have said several times that speed is overrated. That the one with the best engine wins.

Well, that is true in many cases if you can keep the pace up high. But of course, often with a tactic race, or if someone manages to draft behind, you can lose if you don't have a kick.

I would like Jakob to have a kick or more top speed, but I know they (Gjert) have a long term thinking, so we have to wait and see...

Jakob will not be running in this event.

Link here (in Norwegian)"

https://www.aftenposten.no/sport/i/VqRAed/ingebrigtsen-dropper-vm-i-halvmaraton

Mo Farah never had a good 800m time even at his peak, but he was able to increase both his endurance and his speed under Canova and Salazar to the point where his kick, which was utterly ineffective in 2007-9 at the world level became absolutely deadly and well nigh unbeatable from 2011 through 2017. Look back at a video of him taking the lead with 1k to go at World's in 2009 and see the field zoom past him in the last 200 to 300m. Contrast that with him holding the lead in the subsequent years as he developed into a 3:28.81 1500m runner. Jakob's already run 3:28.68 and 7:27.05. He'll continue to develop his aerobic ability but when Gjert recognizes that he is at his physical peak and needs to win championships, he'll add more frequent hard spiked up sprints like the Ethiopians do on a regular basis (as well as unspiked sprints during their forest runs at 10,000 feet), and then he'll be able to do something like Mo, build up to a very fast pace in the last 900 to 1k and then top it off with 52-54 finishes.

Even in 2007, Mo's there in the top five in the 5000m with 1k to go. He's nearly in the lead at 800m. At 700m to go, Mo goes into the lead and he holds it until about 250m to go. That involves first a 62 then a 54 second lap to 4800m, with Kipchoge leading only that last 50m.

At that point, the field streams by him and even Matt Tegenkamp easily passes him on his way to nearly medaling (Farah 6th).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9niR19uf3g

Two years later, he's boxed a long way but moves up into 6th or 7th at the 400m mark and then he was a non-factor the last lap by the backstretch really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcaGp8ls83g

But in 2011, he goes to the front with three to go, he doesn't pick up the pace much if any, but then he goes in front and the pace doesn't really pick up dramatically under about 300 to go. They go through to 4800m in 57 but there is a huge pickup and the last lap is a 53, but now he can hold the lead through the Ethiopian and Lagat surge and gets away from them in that last 100m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkoPeM-5S7s

zxczxcv wrote:

Even in 2007, Mo's there in the top five in the 5000m with 1k to go. He's nearly in the lead at 800m. At 700m to go, Mo goes into the lead and he holds it until about 250m to go. That involves first a 62 then a 54 second lap to 4800m, with Kipchoge leading only that last 50m.

At that point, the field streams by him and even Matt Tegenkamp easily passes him on his way to nearly medaling (Farah 6th).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9niR19uf3g

First time rewatching this race in a while, but boy Lagat stole this title from Kipchoge! It was a legal and savvy move, but by passing Kipchoge and moving into his lane 1 path at the last possible second he basically stopped his final surge which would've just beaten him in my view. Kipchoge of course has the 2003 world title, but if he didn't, I bet that sequence of the last 100 meters might sting more than it does.

For as good a tactical racer as Lagat was, his last 25 meters almost cost him 3 golds (2004 Olympics 1500, 2009 WC 5,000).

it is awesome to look back at races like this and analyze them with a retrospective lens. most people would not notice what is going on with a guy like Farah when he was basically an also ran.