Joshua Cheptegei goes for HISTORY. 5k Track WR attempt in Monaco on August 14!!

Hardloper wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

I'd much rather an athlete go after a WR in a diamond league with other athletes rather than individuals go off and organise special paced events just for them to run well in a low pressure environment.

This is a Diamond League race dude.

Well it says 14th August in that post so I'm guessing that it is going to be a covid-19 special with no crowd, and 4 runners.

ex-runner wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

This is a Diamond League race dude.

Well it says 14th August in that post so I'm guessing that it is going to be a covid-19 special with no crowd, and 4 runners.

I take it you haven't checked the DL schedule lately

VaporAlphaNextSpike wrote:

Bekele is Daddy wrote:

Very cool. Wonder if Kenny is gonna watch it and see Chep come up short. No disrespect, but I don't think this record is going to be broken quite yet...

It's all about the shoes.

Really hope they wont be wearing any type of modified shoes.

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

On the track he's the kind of guy that needs to make his break early because he just can't sustain a good pace and run a fast last lap. I don't think he will get much under 12:45 if that. Breaking the WR would require a 21 second PB and we know Covid has impacted the quality of his training.

Sure he can. What do you think he did at Worlds in 2017 and 2019?

The way you talk about Cheptegei makes me think the DL final is the only race you've seen him win. He may not have the wheels some of the other guys do but he's not slow either. Look what he did to Barega in Palo Alto last year.

stop saying this wrote:

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

On the track he's the kind of guy that needs to make his break early because he just can't sustain a good pace and run a fast last lap. I don't think he will get much under 12:45 if that. Breaking the WR would require a 21 second PB and we know Covid has impacted the quality of his training.

Sure he can. What do you think he did at Worlds in 2017 and 2019?

The way you talk about Cheptegei makes me think the DL final is the only race you've seen him win. He may not have the wheels some of the other guys do but he's not slow either. Look what he did to Barega in Palo Alto last year.

It s all relative.

The guy you quoted is right. He was decimated by a fast last 800 in both the other 5000 he raced in 2019.

The ethiopians did not took him seriously in the DL final.

I hope jakob is going for the 5k.

I see Cheptegei doing 12'40-45 and Jakob could run 12'55 in such a race. I hope Gressier will be there too, he can do close to 13'.

Hardloper wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Well it says 14th August in that post so I'm guessing that it is going to be a covid-19 special with no crowd, and 4 runners.

I take it you haven't checked the DL schedule lately

Hopefully I'm wrong and it's a great race.

I'd love to see Cheptegei, Rhonex, Kejelcha, Barega, Gebriwhet, Mo Ahmed, Jakob and even McSweyn in this race.

That would be the dream.

A repeat of Brussels 2018 where all the top guys go after it.

Such a shame Farah never bothered to race fast. Maybe he will attack a 10k one day.

igotoneforyou wrote:

Alfred de Musset wrote:

Finally something interesting to happen in track and field!!!! Much better than the Ingebringtsen circus.

I don't think that he will get it. It would be extremely strong if he pulls 12:45.

Agreed on all points

Cheptegei is a freak. He ran 26:38 on the roads. His team of coaches, physios, and dope docs will have him ready. They wouldn't go after it if they didn't think he was in shape for it.

I predict a very disturbing 12:35 that will go down much like Bekele's WR performance, dropping 59s every now and then to show off what major doping and insanely hard training can do.

Optimistic dope wrote:

igotoneforyou wrote:

Agreed on all points

Cheptegei is a freak. He ran 26:38 on the roads. His team of coaches, physios, and dope docs will have him ready. They wouldn't go after it if they didn't think he was in shape for it.

I predict a very disturbing 12:35 that will go down much like Bekele's WR performance, dropping 59s every now and then to show off what major doping and insanely hard training can do.

Don't be so salty coevet

We all enjoyed the 5000m final in doha last year.

Optimistic dope wrote:

igotoneforyou wrote:

Agreed on all points

Cheptegei is a freak. He ran 26:38 on the roads. His team of coaches, physios, and dope docs will have him ready. They wouldn't go after it if they didn't think he was in shape for it.

I predict a very disturbing 12:35 that will go down much like Bekele's WR performance, dropping 59s every now and then to show off what major doping and insanely hard training can do.

Bekele tried to better his 12:37 once and ended in 12:40. Gebresselassie and Komen who were also supreme athletes and had numerous attemps in world record attempts coult not get faster.

Cheptegai, who is not even the top 5000m racer, lacking the top 5000m to win races, is certainly not favourite to beat this record.

His coach, physio and all have no mean to know how much he can do. There are no indicator for world record shape. Obviously he can't beat that record in training. It will all unveil the day of the attempt.

I don't think it will turn into a full attempt, it will probably be off the mark at half time and end up at 12:45. It would still be a superb performance.

DC Wonk wrote:

First, anyone who currently thinks Cheptegei is doping, but Bekele wasn't when he set the records is dreaming. The 5k and 10k records have been statistical outliers for a long time. Is Cheptegei doping? I have no idea, but he has passed all the tests to date.

Second, I think Cheptegei has a good shot at breaking the record. He's confident, and has probably been training for this since his road 5k record. Monaco is the right track. Why shouldn't he go for the WR? No time like the present. Plus there's no guarantee that we'll have the Olympics even in 2021.

How do you know Bekele was doping? What are your sources? More likely he was just better than anyone else. Have you researched all the insane workouts he did to get in that kind of shape? He was an absolute animal and he always has been. He was beating the pants off the entire running world at XC worlds when he was 18.

This LRC culture of hurling out unsupported allegations is quite disturbing.

I mean I would watch this if he openly said "I'm retiring from competition and taking a perfectly tailored course of PEDs to see if I can break this record which is held by an athlete who was taking a perfectly tailored course of PEDs when he set it".

Otherwise there is basically zero interest in this because his chances of breaking it are limited to the fact that he will toe the start line. If he gets within 15 seconds of that record I would be impressed.

oops and didn't see you here!

So your logic is that it was all about the insane workouts and "beating the pants" off people when he was 18. Yeah that's good - because people who dope definitely don't bother to dope during training and simply just use the "magic elixir" on race day. Right.

l'm going to guess your type. The defender of athletic excellence zealot. For example you loved Lance when he was dominating the Tour clean and destroying everyone else who was clearly doping and would chastise those who questioned how this was possible - using the tried and tested "what are your sources, where is your proof" - which of course you know nobody has before you even ask the question. Of course nobody with half a brain needed proof with Lance, just like they don't with Bekele who is so far ahead of the curve - especially over 10000m , it is on the same plausibility level as LA.

But stick to your guns on this one, some of us need a good laugh in times like these.

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:....to see if I can break this record which is held by an athlete who was taking a perfectly tailored course of PEDs when he set it".

You don't know that. Stop accusing someone of cheating unless you have evidence to back it up

I was 10 years old when Lance was doing his thing so I really had no idea nor would I have cared to research it at the time, as I was 10 and I didn't have a computer.

Wow, great job labeling me and assuming all kinds of things about me based on one post.

I'm sure that kind of attitude will serve you well in the future.

GOOD DAY.

(And I would never besmirch an athlete without proof. That's an asinine thing to do. If Bekele ever tests positive for some kind of banned substance, I would throw him under the bus faster than anyone)

Lance was a good but nothing exceptional rider turned into an invincible beast by american doping technology programs and labd.

Like Mo Farah turned from a journeyman to a beast winning everything after agoing to the US.

Bekele was great from a young age, never trained in the US and is still rocking at 37 in the marathon.

DC Wonk wrote:Second, I think Cheptegei has a good shot at breaking the record. He's confident, and has probably been training for this since his road 5k record. Monaco is the right track.

I originally had quoted this to disagree and say that he was nowhere near Bekele's level when Bekele set those WRs, but when I looked at Bekele's resume at the time he broke the record, it's not that different than Cheptegei's. Both were World XC champions (although Bekele had the supreme mix of 4K and 12K speed that allowed him to win both short and long course).

Before he set the records, Bekele had run 7:30i, 12:49i, and 26:49. Cheptegei has ran 7:33, 12:57 (track), 12:51 (road) and 26:48. I guess it just remains to be seen if he can make the jump. One thing that should be mentioned is that Bekeled closed the 2003 WC 10,000m in 12:57 before he set the records--that's Cheptegei's 5000m PR right now. Not sure he can make the jump to Haile/Kenny B levels but we'll see.

Bekele went 2:33, 2:32, 2:32, 2:30, 2:29. That's about as good as you can do it. He did have to do it alone from 2K onward so there's a chance if Cheptegei has someone to drag him to 3500 or 4000 he would have a shot. Definitely not a good one.

Rhodium Nights wrote:

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:....to see if I can break this record which is held by an athlete who was taking a perfectly tailored course of PEDs when he set it".

You don't know that. Stop accusing someone of cheating unless you have evidence to back it up

This is done all the time. Including by official bodies. The entire Russian team was banned due to allegations against them. No evidence needed.

Bekele went faster after the pacers dropped.

He had an attempt the following year and started faster if I recall correctly but finished in 12:40.

Another thing to note, Bekele beat the 5k and 10k record in a 10 days span in 2004 in an olympic year.