Jakob and Filip to run 800m on tuesday june 30th

seasoned ranker wrote:

1:44 high or 1:45. Nothing shocking.

If Jakob runs sub 144 , with very few 800s under his belt, under quarantine, in an unimportant race, as a 19 yr old...

...his manager should be fired because he's been wasting his time running 5k, steeple and 1500.

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

Totally correct but to rag on Tariku while he was still a junior would not have been fair. He still earned an Olympic bronze behind the dubious Mo and Rupp and is like 8th all time at the 3000. The latter stage of his career is very forgettable and had he competed to that same level on the roads he would be remembered fondly, even better than Tadese I would say since his marathon career has also been a bust.

Ya i don't mean to rag on me, Tariku, just that saying when LRCs compare others by their Jr ability it often doesn't pan out.

As for me, it would be an interesting story to explain why i never had anywhere near my brothers success. He did tend to use me as a training mule till i was run senseless like a NOP mule, but there' s more to it than that.

I'm gonna' say 1:44.99. There. Done.

Halvard wrote:

Lol we all know that's coevett. What's the problem if Aouita ran 7 800m in a season ?

It would be no problem, but it's also not correct.

Tariku wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

1:44 high or 1:45. Nothing shocking.

If Jakob runs sub 144 , with very few 800s under his belt, under quarantine, in an unimportant race, as a 19 yr old...

...his manager should be fired because he's been wasting his time running 5k, steeple and 1500.

...yeah he won’t run sub 1:44 and I didn’t say that he would.

It's not that Jakob is a slow twitch runner at all. He can close very well, 54 in a 4:50 top ten all-time 2k, 3:30 several times, and can close faster than most, but not as good yet as Tim or GWet, as proved a number of times. But that's the way he is being trained by Gjert. They just don't do a lot of high speed work. They're trained as miler/half marathoners. That is, the vast majority of the work, not including easy runs, is at half marathon pace or at best 10k pace, and then they do hill sprints, strides, and only do a limited number of mile race pace items during the late part of their season, ten days prior to Monaco and championships (10x300 at mile pace). Gjert yells at them if they run faster than mile pace, at least early on in that workout. So, to me, it is a great thing that he is running an 800m. In order to compete for gold, he has got to train that 800m time down to 1:44-43. That will allow him to run away from people with 400 to 600m to go, to avoid those with better top end speed like Lewandoski. The Ethiopians do a lot of top end speed work, as well as sprints in the course of their forest runs at 10000 ft. That pays off at the end of races. With milers not used to running 8s, it can take a few races to get their times down because they're not used to going out that hard. Steve Scott, for instance, only got down to 1:45.05 in his mile pr year. Alan Webb had a pr of over 1:46 as a pro for a long time, maybe even at the start of his wunderjahre of 2007 when he ended up running 1:43.84 and getting a twinge that hurt him at World's that year. So, maybe he runs low 1:46 or high 1:45 first time out this year and then eventually gets down to 1:44 this year and 1:43 in a year or two.

2'16"50 is equivalent to 1'44"7.

I assume Filip is stronger at 1000 than 800 so Filip won't break 1'45.

Jakob will be in the 1'45"5-1'46"5 range

Your statement isn't good, he kicked well in theses races because he paced himself well and came from the back, that's like saying Nick Symmonds is a fast twitch runner, we all know he's the slowest 800 guy to run under 1:43. He just comes from the back at every race and gives the impression to have a lot of speed because he is a strength monster, he paces himself well and he sits at the back during the whole race. I know you all love Jakob but please be objective like you should. Jakob is a strength monster and that's fine I don't see the problem with that, I think he would be fine ending up being a WR holder and Olympic champion like another strength monster named El Guerrouj.

sub-2:00 or bust!

Impala31 wrote:

2'16"50 is equivalent to 1'44"7.

1:44.7 is much better than 2:16.50.

letsdrum wrote:

Impala31 wrote:

2'16"50 is equivalent to 1'44"7.

1:44.7 is much better than 2:16.50.

No ~1180points at hungarian table for both.

He’s 4 seconds off the 1500 WR, he can clearly run within 4 seconds of the 800 WR.

140.91 + 4 wrote:

He’s 4 seconds off the 1500 WR, he can clearly run within 4 seconds of the 800 WR.

I dont think so. He is a 1500-5000 guy way weaker at 800

1:46.1 for Jakob. 2nd, half a second behind Fillip.

As many others have pointed out, the tables tend to overestimate non-standard events (1000, 2000, even 3000m and also indoor events). the 2:16.5 is more like a 1:45-1:45.5 than sub 1:44. But Filip should be relatively better in the 1000m anyway. I'd guess Filip runs a low/mid 1:45 and Jakob half a second slower

"Do people here really think he got the speed to run 1:43? All of these runners crush him speed-wise. This race will show how slow-twitch he is, already looking forward to the excuses when he fails to even run sub 1:45, which runners like Centro and even Engels have done. PR means nothing when his PR is only 1:49 (as 3:30 guy!), but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even break 1:46."

I've said that before now. Jacob will run 1:47 - 1:46 at best.

This slow 800 speed (by world class 1500 standards) is why he will not win a global title at 1500 - unless he has someone (brother?) to make the perfect pace for him over the first 1000. Then he stands a chance but the odds are thta there will always be someone faster than him over the last 150.

Impala31 wrote:

letsdrum wrote:

1:44.7 is much better than 2:16.50.

No ~1180points at hungarian table for both.

I would not interpret too much into these tables - do you know how they were done?

1:44.7 is definitely better than 2:16.50.

You state that Jakob gets smoked in the last 100-200m in dozens of races!

Will you please

A. Watch the following races

a. 1500m Palo Alto 2018

b. Bowerman mile 2018

c. 1500m Monaco 2018

d. 1500m Stockholm 2019

e.1500m Lausanne 2019

f. 1500m Monaco 2019

g. 1500m Brussel 2019

And tell this forum if you want to moderate your statement?

B. Will you also tell this forum how many times the excellent finishers Centro and Engels have beaten the slow 17-19 years old Jakob?

Your statement isn't good, he kicked well in theses races because he paced himself well and came from the back, that's like saying Nick Symmonds is a fast twitch runner, we all know he's the slowest 800 guy to run under 1:43. He just comes from the back at every race and gives the impression to have a lot of speed because he is a strength monster, he paces himself well and he sits at the back during the whole race. I know you all love Jakob but please be objective like you should. Jakob is a strength monster and that's fine I don't see the problem with that, I think he would be fine ending up being a WR holder and Olympic champion like another strength monster named El Guerrouj.

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You are misrepresenting my post Halvard!!

I indicated that it is not true "that Jakob got smoked in the last 100-200m in dozens of races"!

I did not write anything about WHY he kicked well or about fast or slow twitch runners!

But the fact is that Jakob especially in the races in 2019 came from behind and smoked everyone except from Timothy.

Even in the 1500m final in Doha where Jakob was not at his very best (1.5 seconds from his PB) he was only narrowly beaten by Makhloufi (SB in the final) and Lewandowski (PB in the Final). Timothy of course was in a league by his own. But Jakob beat Centro (SB), Kerr (PB), and Engels who are considered good finishers.

By the way: I think it is too early to judge if Jakob has good top speed or not. Wait some years until he is fully matured.

As a young teen Jakob was world class in the 800m and also ran fast in the 600m.

Just before he turned 15 he ran 3:52.60. Donovan Brazier ran 3:54.38 at 16.

Jakob then ran 3:51.04 at 15 and 1:49.40 at 16 so if he had focused on the 800m he would possibly have been able to go well under 1:45 today at 19.

I see that you are still hard on this Jakob Ingebrigtsen.

All this talk about Jakob is purely based on his age not on his real performance. He had the potential to medal last year in a weak field and failed in both events.

Jakob does not have any world junior record, he is very far from them. And none of the world junior record holder have set a senior record later except Shaeen. So you expect him to be a late bloomer when he is an early bloomer.