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2600 bro wrote:
Bullet_Proof wrote:
It is not satire.
1.) 800k deaths is quite normal if you look at the history of the human population, the average age of covid deaths, and the average life expectancy, which is 78 years old in the US. Death is always tragic if it touches you or your immediate family. But people dying at an age that is in line with what we've observed for the last 100 year trend is not sufficient enough to overreact and cause more harms to people who are at no risk, especially children.
Life expectancy is projected to GROW through 2100 according to macrotrends.net.
Sure, covid may (or may not) slow the acceleration but it does not change the direction of the trend.
As bad as you want to paint covid, CDC data also show that Americans, regardless of age group, are far more likely to die of something other than COVID-19:
https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/Again, no need to resort to mass hysteria.
These numbers get even worse for you, if we take into account other "groundtruths" as you put it, namely the fact of comorbidities. How can you reasonably claim that someone with stage IV metastatic cancer who happened to get covid died exclusively because of covid? In those cases, the person had a much more significant ailment that would have killed them with or without covid. Trust me, I unfortunately know how quickly a person dies after they are diagnosed with stage IV cancer that has metasticized.
2.) The vaccines havent had enough time to prove their worth to us. You can make extrapolations based on current data, but that does not replace 20 years of actual observation and more rigorous testing. Sure, mRNA technology has been dabbled with for the last 30 years, but there is a reason it has not become a widespread medical option.
And with all of your scientific handwaving in this thread, how are you 100% sure that the effectiveness of your magical vaccine isnt due to a confounding variable?
1) It's been a year+ and you still don't understand the concept of 800k excess deaths. You are remarkable.
People at age 75 have on avg 12 years of life left right now. If these people were going to die within a year anyway we wouldnt have 800k excess deaths. This is a fundamental concept that even stupidest COVID deniers on the board have managed to grasp in the past year. It's not a good look that you still havent.
Then you drift toward "death isn't actually bad..." good one.
2) Vaccines have already saved ~1 million lives in the US. You act like mRNA tech is some monolithic idea. There are many facets. The first RNAi drug was 2018. Cheap (ish) non-ezymatic RNA synthesis wasnt available until the late 2000s. It's been an area of remarkable research and growth over the past 15 years and we finally see the dividends.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2021/dec/us-covid-19-vaccination-program-one-year-how-many-deaths-and
The excess deaths number you keep flailing around, when taken into context, is not a sufficient enough justification for an emergency.
You can scream all you want. You can pretend to be morally outraged.
It is not a threat to healthy, skinny people. It is not a threat to children.
Your arguments ultimately lead to masking every child 2 years old, and forcing a vaccination on them if you could really obtain your way.
Your arguments ultimately end in trying to convince everyone that this is an emergency. And we should stop what we're doing, stop working, stop hanging out with friends, stop travelling, stop living our life.....so that Stephane Bancel can get wealthier.
So that we can inject something we are hesitant about into our own bodies.
Your hysteria is causing a lot of these detrimental repurcussions.
"Oh my God! The sky is falling!" "Look, wolf!"
antivaxxers killing democracy wrote:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/anti-vax-podcaster-doug-kuzma-084247554.htmlAnti-vaccine podcaster Doug Kuzma, a QAnon follower who contracted COVID-19 after attending a large right-wing gathering last month, has died.
Kuzma, 61, of Newport News, Virginia, became ill shortly after the three-day “ReAwaken America” event in Dallas, which featured former Trump national security adviser and felon Michael Flynn. Few people wore masks at the event. After several attendees became ill following the rally, some claimed without evidence that they had been secretly poisoned with anthrax.
On Dec. 25, an administrator for podcast network Frog News announced that Kuzma was in the hospital on a ventilator and needed “heavy, heavy prayers.” She also noted that the last post from him was a photo posing with the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin, which some conspiracy theorists have embraced as a treatment for COVID. (Studies have shown the drug ineffective against the coronavirus and possibly harmful to those who take it.)
Trump-allied attorney Lin Wood responded to the post by asking followers if anyone could recommend a doctor — or a lawyer — for Kuzma:
Kuzma died Monday. His daughter, Amanda Kuzma, told The Daily Beast that he was a “great father.”
“I really loved him and I would do anything for him,” she said.
Is there no kind of suffering antivaxxers aren't capable of imposing on the people around them and the community?
Crushing the health system, medical resources and hospitals: CHECK
Exhausting and traumatizing health care workers: CHECK
Traumatizing their family members after they pass: CHECK
Alienating/humiliating their families because of their insane conspiracies, childish mentality, and predisposition to violence: CHECK
Being disgusting people in general: CHECK
Promoting unnecessary deaths: CHECK
Undermining democracy by serving as ammo for extremist political movements: CHECK
Could you please be a man and say what you really want?
If you want all unvaccinated people to die, just say it. At least we would know who we're dealing with.
We've listened to your case about the dangers of covid. We nod our head and have politely refused to take the jab.
You can either advocate to kill us, or exile us from society and make us poor. Which would you prefer?
Your morals are all mixed up buddy.
Love to see you try to explain your way out of this one.
Bullet_Proof wrote:
antivaxxers killing democracy wrote:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/anti-vax-podcaster-doug-kuzma-084247554.htmlAnti-vaccine podcaster Doug Kuzma, a QAnon follower who contracted COVID-19 after attending a large right-wing gathering last month, has died.
Kuzma, 61, of Newport News, Virginia, became ill shortly after the three-day “ReAwaken America” event in Dallas, which featured former Trump national security adviser and felon Michael Flynn. Few people wore masks at the event. After several attendees became ill following the rally, some claimed without evidence that they had been secretly poisoned with anthrax.
On Dec. 25, an administrator for podcast network Frog News announced that Kuzma was in the hospital on a ventilator and needed “heavy, heavy prayers.” She also noted that the last post from him was a photo posing with the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin, which some conspiracy theorists have embraced as a treatment for COVID. (Studies have shown the drug ineffective against the coronavirus and possibly harmful to those who take it.)
Trump-allied attorney Lin Wood responded to the post by asking followers if anyone could recommend a doctor — or a lawyer — for Kuzma:
Kuzma died Monday. His daughter, Amanda Kuzma, told The Daily Beast that he was a “great father.”
“I really loved him and I would do anything for him,” she said.
Is there no kind of suffering antivaxxers aren't capable of imposing on the people around them and the community?
Crushing the health system, medical resources and hospitals: CHECK
Exhausting and traumatizing health care workers: CHECK
Traumatizing their family members after they pass: CHECK
Alienating/humiliating their families because of their insane conspiracies, childish mentality, and predisposition to violence: CHECK
Being disgusting people in general: CHECK
Promoting unnecessary deaths: CHECK
Undermining democracy by serving as ammo for extremist political movements: CHECK
Could you please be a man and say what you really want?
If you want all unvaccinated people to die, just say it. At least we would know who we're dealing with.
We've listened to your case about the dangers of covid. We nod our head and have politely refused to take the jab.
You can either advocate to kill us, or exile us from society and make us poor. Which would you prefer?
Your morals are all mixed up buddy.
Love to see you try to explain your way out of this one.
He has no clue what he wants. I mean just read this crap from these fools. The vaccine has lasting effects on people’s minds and ability to think clearly and, thus, be able to put those thoughts on text. They could have only a short year ago. The stuff is crazy juice for the mind
Serious question for OP & ther other lunatics.
Now that the vaccine is proving to be far less effective against the new strains AND the new strains are proving to be far less deadly AND a large proportion of the unvaxxed have recovered from Covid…
Will you FINALLY be willing to go after the POS MFs that started this whole global pandemic in the first place???
There’s a mountain of evidence that says Covid escaped from a lab in ~September of 2019, that US taxpayer dollars were funding Gain of Function testing via EcoHealth Alliance from 2017-2019, and that there has been a coordinated coverup to protect the global and US medical community bureaucrats. Event 201 (Gates, Johns Hopkins, and the WEF) in October 2019 dictated the coordinated global response.
2600 bro wrote:
Bullet_Proof wrote:
Hey everybody! In addition to becoming the #1 poster boy for covid hysteria and cowardice, Harambe can now predict the future!
You realize you can just look at 78 year olds and see how long they live on average. This isn't mysticism.
You got caught making a very basic mistake (you still dont seem to grasp) and now you are lashing out. Very classic behavior.
2600Bro's and Harambe's ignorance is on full display.
The definition of actuarial tables is that they are spreadsheets calculating the probability of person at a certain age dying before their next birthday.
Probability is, however, a guess about the future.
What is different, is statistics analyzes the frequency of past events.
Analyzing past events is not a guess about the future. It is what actually happened. It is the truth.
In 2019, there were approximately 22,000 people aged 50-60 who died. Would appreciate seeing Harambe or 2600Bro go to their families in 2018 and say,
"have no fear, your parent is expected to live another 34 years. You see, I pretend to be smart on letsrun.com. I gas light people by claiming that probability is a fact and that it can predict the future. I dont want them to think for themselves and realize there is a difference between guessing about the future and observing real data on what actually happened in the past."
"Oh and another thing: I also share my moral values with antivaxxers are killing democracy and I want to force 2 year old kids to wear masks and force people to take a vaccine"
Heartlesss wrote:
Serious question for OP & ther other lunatics.
Now that the vaccine is proving to be far less effective against the new strains AND the new strains are proving to be far less deadly AND a large proportion of the unvaxxed have recovered from Covid…
Will you FINALLY be willing to go after the POS MFs that started this whole global pandemic in the first place???
There’s a mountain of evidence that says Covid escaped from a lab in ~September of 2019, that US taxpayer dollars were funding Gain of Function testing via EcoHealth Alliance from 2017-2019, and that there has been a coordinated coverup to protect the global and US medical community bureaucrats. Event 201 (Gates, Johns Hopkins, and the WEF) in October 2019 dictated the coordinated global response.
Great post. It's time we prosecute those responsible for this global mess. And then relax.
Noyankee wrote:
Bullet_Proof wrote:
Could you please be a man and say what you really want?
If you want all unvaccinated people to die, just say it. At least we would know who we're dealing with.
We've listened to your case about the dangers of covid. We nod our head and have politely refused to take the jab.
You can either advocate to kill us, or exile us from society and make us poor. Which would you prefer?
Your morals are all mixed up buddy.
Love to see you try to explain your way out of this one.
He has no clue what he wants. I mean just read this crap from these fools. The vaccine has lasting effects on people’s minds and ability to think clearly and, thus, be able to put those thoughts on text. They could have only a short year ago. The stuff is crazy juice for the mind
Yep. These fools are victims of mass psychosis. Will be interesting to see how history chatacterizes their response to covid.
Bullet_Proof wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
He has no clue what he wants. I mean just read this crap from these fools. The vaccine has lasting effects on people’s minds and ability to think clearly and, thus, be able to put those thoughts on text. They could have only a short year ago. The stuff is crazy juice for the mind
Yep. These fools are victims of mass psychosis. Will be interesting to see how history chatacterizes their response to covid.
I’m guessing, and again only a crazy guess, but even Harambe could have been somewhat normal a year ago.
What’s most comical is that they try to say this about us, yet we have made no changes. We are who we’ve always been. The stuff creates mental illness, which will be the next move by big pharma to push the psychotic drugs on them
Heartlesss wrote:
Serious question for OP & ther other lunatics.
Now that the vaccine is proving to be far less effective against the new strains AND the new strains are proving to be far less deadly AND a large proportion of the unvaxxed have recovered from Covid…
Will you FINALLY be willing to go after the POS MFs that started this whole global pandemic in the first place???
There’s a mountain of evidence that says Covid escaped from a lab in ~September of 2019, that US taxpayer dollars were funding Gain of Function testing via EcoHealth Alliance from 2017-2019, and that there has been a coordinated coverup to protect the global and US medical community bureaucrats. Event 201 (Gates, Johns Hopkins, and the WEF) in October 2019 dictated the coordinated global response.
This is the main issue. Thank you for keeping us on target. Now we can focus on solving the main problem
Bullet_Proof wrote:
Yep. These fools are victims of mass psychosis. Will be interesting to see how history chatacterizes their response to covid.
Yep:
"Psychiatrist: Americans Are Suffering From ‘Mass Delusional Psychosis’ Because Of Covid-19."
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/americans-are-suffering-from-mass-delusional-psychosis-because-of-covid-19Bullet_Proof wrote:
Heartlesss wrote:
Serious question for OP & ther other lunatics.
. . .
Will you FINALLY be willing to go after the POS MFs that started this whole global pandemic in the first place???
This is the main issue.
I disagree. The MAIN issue is that over a thousand Americans, on average, are still dying daily from Covid-19--and that number is increasing.
How 'bout we fix the problem before we (try to) fix the blame?
Yeah,about that... wrote:
Bullet_Proof wrote:
This is the main issue.
I disagree. The MAIN issue is that over a thousand Americans, on average, are still dying daily from Covid-19--and that number is increasing.
How 'bout we fix the problem before we (try to) fix the blame?
Don’t bother, right wingers have become a death cult. They get off on seeing death and gaslight it away by regurgitating the usual “freedumb!” crap they don’t really believe in anyway.
Pretty good rule of thumb: the higher the number of covid deaths, the happier right wingers are. Just ask deathsantis
French president sends antivaxxers home devastated. Says and pledges to do what every other sane, responsible, mature person is thinking: 🖕antivaxxers, and let’s do everything we can to make them miserable and angry (to be fair, they’re already an unhinged angry bunch) to the point they repent and relent and get vaccinated
Yeah,about that... wrote:
Bullet_Proof wrote:
This is the main issue.
I disagree. The MAIN issue is that over a thousand Americans, on average, are still dying daily from Covid-19--and that number is increasing.
How do you know they're not dying with Covid and not from Covid? Since day one practically every hospital death where someone has "tested positive" is chalked off to Covid. This is done to keep the fearmongering narrative going perpetuated by Liberal-Pharma-MSM axis of propaganda with the agenda of the Leftist party pushing a medical police state & government totalitarianism.
Yeah,about that... wrote:
Bullet_Proof wrote:
This is the main issue.
I disagree. The MAIN issue is that over a thousand Americans, on average, are still dying daily from Covid-19--and that number is increasing.
How do you know they're not dying with Covid and not from Covid? Since day one practically every hospital death where someone has "tested positive" is chalked off to Covid. This is done to keep the fearmongering narrative going perpetuated by Liberal-Pharma-MSM axis of propaganda with the agenda of the Leftist party pushing a medical police state & government totalitarianism.
Liberal Politicians are Tyrants wrote:
Yeah,about that... wrote:
I disagree. The MAIN issue is that over a thousand Americans, on average, are still dying daily from Covid-19--and that number is increasing.
How do you know they're not dying with Covid and not from Covid?
I know because, since March 2020, there've been just about a million more total American deaths than would have been expected. And the only meaningfully large variable in the country, from that time to this, has been the addition of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. (Suicides, for example, actually went down.)
Y'know, this board actually sorted that business out about a year ago. Are you new to LRC, perhaps?
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/dataviz8737/viz/COVID_excess_mort_withcauses_01052022/WeeklyExcessDeathsBullet_Proof wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
You realize you can just look at 78 year olds and see how long they live on average. This isn't mysticism.
You got caught making a very basic mistake (you still dont seem to grasp) and now you are lashing out. Very classic behavior.
2600Bro's and Harambe's ignorance is on full display.
The definition of actuarial tables is that they are spreadsheets calculating the probability of person at a certain age dying before their next birthday.
Probability is, however, a guess about the future.
What is different, is statistics analyzes the frequency of past events.
Analyzing past events is not a guess about the future. It is what actually happened. It is the truth.
In 2019, there were approximately 22,000 people aged 50-60 who died. Would appreciate seeing Harambe or 2600Bro go to their families in 2018 and say,
"have no fear, your parent is expected to live another 34 years. You see, I pretend to be smart on letsrun.com. I gas light people by claiming that probability is a fact and that it can predict the future. I dont want them to think for themselves and realize there is a difference between guessing about the future and observing real data on what actually happened in the past."
"Oh and another thing: I also share my moral values with antivaxxers are killing democracy and I want to force 2 year old kids to wear masks and force people to take a vaccine"
AWESOME YOU GET IT!!!
78 year olds dying does matter!
Took you a while.
This is most hilarious self-own you have posted. Thank you.
Also your take about expected and observed outcomes is so brain dead it’s gotta be willful trolling. Which I appreciate.
Your stated beliefs:
1) if I observe a 4 year dying it’s no big deal. They died then. There no expected of them living longer.
2) if the SSA has 50 years of observed data that 79 year olds live another 15 years in average… we aren’t allowed to say COVID killing 70 years means losers years of life because you cannot use observations to created expectations.
This site gets better by the day.
What’s with the return of “with COVID” morons recently? Did something happened that made it easier for low IQ people to get on the internet?