A twice-deported Mexican national who was let off easy for killing two California teenagers in a drunken crash — sparking widespread outrage — has been sentenced to prison for being in the country illegally. Oscar Eduardo Ortega-Anguiano walked free last year after serving three-and-a-half years of a 10-year sentence for causing the deaths of Anya Varfolomeev and Nicholay Osokin on the San Diego Freeway’s Seal Beach Boulevard in November 2021. He was released in July and immediately taken back into custody by federal officials, according to reports. On Friday, US District Judge John Holcomb sentenced Ortega-Anguiano to three years and 10 months in federal prison for illegal re-entry into the US. He’ll face near-certain deportation — again — after completing his sentence, his attorney noted, according to The Mercury News. Ortega-Anguiano had already been sent back to Mexico twice and returned when, intoxicated and without a valid driver’s license, he collided with the 2000 Honda driven by Varfolomeev and Osokin just before midnight in Orange County on November 13, 2021. The reduced sentence sparked outrage among the victims’ families. Varfolomeev’s father compared it to his own immigration story, saying: “We came to the United States 35 years ago legally. We are legal immigrants. He is not.”
The New York Times has repeatedly reported he was graduated at the top of his class. What more proof do you need?
OP-ED reported once in 1973
Your use of the terms "reported" and "repeatedly" are wrong.
- An op-ed is not considered reporting.
- once is not repeatedly
Time to put this lie to bed.
No offense Slip. But the reason this lie won’t be put to rest is because it’s Sally trolling for attention. Whenever you read “Wharton “ it is just to troll you to respond. It’s a cry for attention. Dont give it.
well, it’s still wildly imperfect in Canada, just as it’s always been here. American politicians have been a pretty sorry lot overall, but my longstanding position on Trump is that a number of voters expressed reasonable disgust with the venality and mendacity of politicians… and then a number of them decided that the best way to address that problem was to select someone 100x worse.
And then, every political victory he has would drive other politicians farther way from needing to tell the truth. It risks making nearly everybody, left and right, more dishonest.
Here’s someone who wouldn’t agree with that assessment. In fact, Dan McGlaughlin has been defending the administration in Minnesota more than just about anyone, save for the administration officials, numbskull right-wing social media types, the cable folks who always carry water for him, etc.
For me, it’s always been part of the answer against the “but what do you dislike about his policies?” folks: His very essence is to be a black hole where truth disappears, and his gravity draws others into his orbit. The various forms of the statement about the constant, brazen lying of authoritarians are familiar enough: you don’t have to believe the lie, they just have to obscure the truth. McLaughlin is one who wouldn’t agree be unwilling to pin that on the president as a goal, but look at how he describes the situation of Trump’s presidency. It is a description of similar problems:
“One of the frustrations of the second Trump term, as a writer, is quite how opaque the facts frequently are on so many fronts. This is a professional annoyance, but it’s more than just my own grievance: it’s also bad for democratic debate. And while some of this is the result of issue environments outside of the current administration’s control, it’s also a predictable side effect of executive-driven governance that is all about the use of power and leverage rather than the deployment of reason or principle or the defense of law.”
(“how opaque the facts are” is a soft assessment in part because his own reasoning leads him to a less critical stance of the president than I’d take, but it’s also reasonable enough to think that he’s tempering his critique for an audience that has, by a large margin, mostly voted for Trump.)
“Black hole where truth disappears”. Top notch.
This is the area that intrigues me. Ever since Trump appeared on the stage, I don’t understand the widespread acceptance of the lies.
With Trump, it’s not merely excusing the lie. Or denying the lie. It is a celebration of the lies.
Russia is collapsing under the weight of the war they started. In the 1980's, Reagan saw a similar situation, though much less dire, as an opportunity to break the USSR because they were anti democracy, anti US, and threatened world peace. Today, Trump sees this as Russia needing a lifeline. So Trump is cutting weapons to Ukraine and dragging out peace negotiations. Putin wants to break the US and Trump is willing to help if it makes him money and keeps him in power. The Republica party has enabled this. What a precipitous fall from the Reagan years.
Russian authorities use various strategies to recruit new troops to replenish its supply of soldiers for its nearly 4-year-old full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Russia is collapsing under the weight of the war they started. In the 1980's, Reagan saw a similar situation, though much less dire, as an opportunity to break the USSR because they were anti democracy, anti US, and threatened world peace. Today, Trump sees this as Russia needing a lifeline. So Trump is cutting weapons to Ukraine and dragging out peace negotiations. Putin wants to break the US and Trump is willing to help if it makes him money and keeps him in power. The Republica party has enabled this. What a precipitous fall from the Reagan years.
There is a belief out there that I felt was a bit to conspiratorial for my taste. It is that China gets the Far East. Russia gets Ukraine and some of Europe and the US gets North and South America.
Still don't fully go along with this one. But it is hard to argue against it when you look at Trump's actions. If he had done the opposite of what he did with Ukraine and Russia, Russia would very likely have been close to collapse.
But this conspiratorial belief require one to believe there is a master strategy with Trump and that is almost certainly never the case.
Eh. I think he pushes to see what he can get away with, but I think you’re casting it as more nefarious than it is. Perhaps you don’t buy the WSJ assessment of Trump’s “frustration” in watching the weekend’s events in Minnesota. He seems at least somewhat aware of public sentiment (even apart from the protesters themselves and the far Left), and he wanted a change. For me, that doesn’t excuse decisions by anyone in the administration who advocated the previous tack, but it indicates some concern about things like polls.
His Frustration with the weekend events does not have anything to do with the guy that was killed. Nor with the citizens. Nor polling. It is all about him. He thinks it makes himself look bad. That is all. Every dictator must look good at all times. See Trump parades. See Trump arch. See Ballroom.
Don't mistake his malignant narcissism with political voter concern.
You but in line with the argument that both you and wow are making, it is POSSIBLE that if he can modify his behavior based on the reaction to Saturday’s murder, he could ALSO react in a similar way regarding planned or commenced election interference efforts. We should NOT assume that, but anytime he doesn’t go full steam ahead on something (Greenland, and now possibly Mpls), it can give one SOME hope that that could, at some point, also apply to election interference efforts.
well, it’s still wildly imperfect in Canada, just as it’s always been here. American politicians have been a pretty sorry lot overall, but my longstanding position on Trump is that a number of voters expressed reasonable disgust with the venality and mendacity of politicians… and then a number of them decided that the best way to address that problem was to select someone 100x worse.
And then, every political victory he has would drive other politicians farther way from needing to tell the truth. It risks making nearly everybody, left and right, more dishonest.
Here’s someone who wouldn’t agree with that assessment. In fact, Dan McGlaughlin has been defending the administration in Minnesota more than just about anyone, save for the administration officials, numbskull right-wing social media types, the cable folks who always carry water for him, etc.
For me, it’s always been part of the answer against the “but what do you dislike about his policies?” folks: His very essence is to be a black hole where truth disappears, and his gravity draws others into his orbit. The various forms of the statement about the constant, brazen lying of authoritarians are familiar enough: you don’t have to believe the lie, they just have to obscure the truth. McLaughlin is one who wouldn’t agree be unwilling to pin that on the president as a goal, but look at how he describes the situation of Trump’s presidency. It is a description of similar problems:
“One of the frustrations of the second Trump term, as a writer, is quite how opaque the facts frequently are on so many fronts. This is a professional annoyance, but it’s more than just my own grievance: it’s also bad for democratic debate. And while some of this is the result of issue environments outside of the current administration’s control, it’s also a predictable side effect of executive-driven governance that is all about the use of power and leverage rather than the deployment of reason or principle or the defense of law.”
(“how opaque the facts are” is a soft assessment in part because his own reasoning leads him to a less critical stance of the president than I’d take, but it’s also reasonable enough to think that he’s tempering his critique for an audience that has, by a large margin, mostly voted for Trump.)
“Black hole where truth disappears”. Top notch.
This is the area that intrigues me. Ever since Trump appeared on the stage, I don’t understand the widespread acceptance of the lies.
With Trump, it’s not merely excusing the lie. Or denying the lie. It is a celebration of the lies.
I don’t understand that human behavior.
the way I understand it:
Under Obama and Biden, magaland felt humiliated. Someone else's culture was being imposed upon them. City people culture. So maga did what people normally do when feeling oppressed: Hunched their shoulders, rolled their eyes, didn't say a whole lot and waited for change.
Trump 2024 was the opportunity for that change. They didn't really care about issues other than immigration and transexuals...what they wanted was a warrior to let them stop feeling put upon and stupid by people with another culture.
DJT2 was an offer to let them be themselves again and have their culture rule the nation instead of that cosmopolitan stuff like the value of college and the Constitution.
So the truth/lies dichotomy you describe....is beside the point. Lies don;'t matter. They didn't vote for someone to tell them the truth. They already know they are falling behind and the blue states are richer and more thriving.
The point of getting behind DJT2 is having one of their own in the WH, one who let them be themselves and stop hunching over their shoulders so they didn't' get cancelled. They are completely willing to be lied to in order to get that. Could not care less about the lies.
well, it’s still wildly imperfect in Canada, just as it’s always been here. American politicians have been a pretty sorry lot overall, but my longstanding position on Trump is that a number of voters expressed reasonable disgust with the venality and mendacity of politicians… and then a number of them decided that the best way to address that problem was to select someone 100x worse.
And then, every political victory he has would drive other politicians farther way from needing to tell the truth. It risks making nearly everybody, left and right, more dishonest.
Here’s someone who wouldn’t agree with that assessment. In fact, Dan McGlaughlin has been defending the administration in Minnesota more than just about anyone, save for the administration officials, numbskull right-wing social media types, the cable folks who always carry water for him, etc.
For me, it’s always been part of the answer against the “but what do you dislike about his policies?” folks: His very essence is to be a black hole where truth disappears, and his gravity draws others into his orbit. The various forms of the statement about the constant, brazen lying of authoritarians are familiar enough: you don’t have to believe the lie, they just have to obscure the truth. McLaughlin is one who wouldn’t agree be unwilling to pin that on the president as a goal, but look at how he describes the situation of Trump’s presidency. It is a description of similar problems:
“One of the frustrations of the second Trump term, as a writer, is quite how opaque the facts frequently are on so many fronts. This is a professional annoyance, but it’s more than just my own grievance: it’s also bad for democratic debate. And while some of this is the result of issue environments outside of the current administration’s control, it’s also a predictable side effect of executive-driven governance that is all about the use of power and leverage rather than the deployment of reason or principle or the defense of law.”
(“how opaque the facts are” is a soft assessment in part because his own reasoning leads him to a less critical stance of the president than I’d take, but it’s also reasonable enough to think that he’s tempering his critique for an audience that has, by a large margin, mostly voted for Trump.)
“Black hole where truth disappears”. Top notch.
This is the area that intrigues me. Ever since Trump appeared on the stage, I don’t understand the widespread acceptance of the lies.
With Trump, it’s not merely excusing the lie. Or denying the lie. It is a celebration of the lies.
I don’t understand that human behavior.
It’s just another demonstration of how weak many people’s supposed principles are. When stress tested, oftentimes only in the least bit, they crumble. Of course most Trumpers hate lying from people in their life, and would claim that honesty is one of their principles. But it’s not.
His Frustration with the weekend events does not have anything to do with the guy that was killed. Nor with the citizens. Nor polling. It is all about him. He thinks it makes himself look bad. That is all. Every dictator must look good at all times. See Trump parades. See Trump arch. See Ballroom.
Don't mistake his malignant narcissism with political voter concern.
You but in line with the argument that both you and wow are making, it is POSSIBLE that if he can modify his behavior based on the reaction to Saturday’s murder, he could ALSO react in a similar way regarding planned or commenced election interference efforts. We should NOT assume that, but anytime he doesn’t go full steam ahead on something (Greenland, and now possibly Mpls), it can give one SOME hope that that could, at some point, also apply to election interference efforts.
This is the area that intrigues me. Ever since Trump appeared on the stage, I don’t understand the widespread acceptance of the lies.
With Trump, it’s not merely excusing the lie. Or denying the lie. It is a celebration of the lies.
I don’t understand that human behavior.
It’s just another demonstration of how weak many people’s supposed principles are. When stress tested, oftentimes only in the least bit, they crumble. Of course most Trumpers hate lying from people in their life, and would claim that honesty is one of their principles. But it’s not.
part of it is the transgender thing.
Maga is saying 'look man, if you can't simply say what a woman is, then you have failed the truth test now and forever.' That is the most basic thing human beings know, after all.
Because of that massive basic lie the Dems were willing to tell, it gave Trump and maga the right to thousands and thousands of smaller lies.
Thousands of smaller trump lies didn't add up to the obvious massive lie of 'men can be women if they want to be.'
This is the area that intrigues me. Ever since Trump appeared on the stage, I don’t understand the widespread acceptance of the lies.
With Trump, it’s not merely excusing the lie. Or denying the lie. It is a celebration of the lies.
I don’t understand that human behavior.
the way I understand it:
Under Obama and Biden, magaland felt humiliated. Someone else's culture was being imposed upon them. City people culture. So maga did what people normally do when feeling oppressed: Hunched their shoulders, rolled their eyes, didn't say a whole lot and waited for change.
Trump 2024 was the opportunity for that change. They didn't really care about issues other than immigration and transexuals...what they wanted was a warrior to let them stop feeling put upon and stupid by people with another culture.
DJT2 was an offer to let them be themselves again and have their culture rule the nation instead of that cosmopolitan stuff like the value of college and the Constitution.
So the truth/lies dichotomy you describe....is beside the point. Lies don;'t matter. They didn't vote for someone to tell them the truth. They already know they are falling behind and the blue states are richer and more thriving.
The point of getting behind DJT2 is having one of their own in the WH, one who let them be themselves and stop hunching over their shoulders so they didn't' get cancelled. They are completely willing to be lied to in order to get that. Could not care less about the lies.
I don’t disagree that dynamics something like this applies to millions of less-educated, less well off Trumpers. But we should always remember not to let off the hook tens of millions of Trumpers/Trump voters NOT in those demographics. Tens of millions of people you went to college with, and who live in your nice neighborhood. Remember that his approval rating in GOP remains 85-90%. That’s TONS of people who you would think “know better.” But they don’t.
Under Obama and Biden, magaland felt humiliated. Someone else's culture was being imposed upon them. City people culture. So maga did what people normally do when feeling oppressed: Hunched their shoulders, rolled their eyes, didn't say a whole lot and waited for change.
Trump 2024 was the opportunity for that change. They didn't really care about issues other than immigration and transexuals...what they wanted was a warrior to let them stop feeling put upon and stupid by people with another culture.
DJT2 was an offer to let them be themselves again and have their culture rule the nation instead of that cosmopolitan stuff like the value of college and the Constitution.
So the truth/lies dichotomy you describe....is beside the point. Lies don;'t matter. They didn't vote for someone to tell them the truth. They already know they are falling behind and the blue states are richer and more thriving.
The point of getting behind DJT2 is having one of their own in the WH, one who let them be themselves and stop hunching over their shoulders so they didn't' get cancelled. They are completely willing to be lied to in order to get that. Could not care less about the lies.
I don’t disagree that dynamics something like this applies to millions of less-educated, less well off Trumpers. But we should always remember not to let off the hook tens of millions of Trumpers/Trump voters NOT in those demographics. Tens of millions of people you went to college with, and who live in your nice neighborhood. Remember that his approval rating in GOP remains 85-90%. That’s TONS of people who you would think “know better.” But they don’t.
yeah agreed. I think often of the observation that 'if you don't know your city friend's politics...they are most likely Trumpers, hiding it from you.'
I don’t disagree that dynamics something like this applies to millions of less-educated, less well off Trumpers. But we should always remember not to let off the hook tens of millions of Trumpers/Trump voters NOT in those demographics. Tens of millions of people you went to college with, and who live in your nice neighborhood. Remember that his approval rating in GOP remains 85-90%. That’s TONS of people who you would think “know better.” But they don’t.
yeah agreed. I think often of the observation that 'if you don't know your city friend's politics...they are most likely Trumpers, hiding it from you.'
Maga is saying 'look man, if you can't simply say what a woman is, then you have failed the truth test now and forever.' That is the most basic thing human beings know, after all.
Because of that massive basic lie the Dems were willing to tell, it gave Trump and maga the right to thousands and thousands of smaller lies.
Thousands of smaller trump lies didn't add up to the obvious massive lie of 'men can be women if they want to be.'
Showing up on such a list does not necessarily mean graduation. Either you graduated or the time to complete your degree end, and you didn't finish. If Trump has a degree it more of a special studies certificate in real estate. That means know Real math, and not Trump math.
You forgot to mention his Wharton degree paved the way...
If Trump had a Wharton degree it would be enlarged to floor-to-ceiling height and mounted behind him when he sat at the Resolute desk.
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