Beth Sullivan making headlines at UT

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When you are hired as head coach at UT and getting paid $$$ with the expectation that u win championships, you can keep all the slow people you want on your team. When the AD calls you in to explain why you didn't perform, you can give your moral argument and see how it goes. If it doesnt go over well i'm sure UT offers some severance pay that will hold u over until you find a small church school that's more about participating and less about winning. Until then quit being armchair quarterback. I'm Hangry please tell mom to order a pizza.

Dial it up wrote:

Actually schools don't recruit. Coaches recruit. BAS did not recruit those girls. They chose to attend that school despite the coach who wanted them no longer being there.

Btw you saying that my points don't apply doesn't mean they don't apply. They do. Not to mention, it doesn't matter. BAS's opinion is the only one that actually mattered in this case. I wish all of those girls the best, but I certainly wouldn't accept the attitude they and their parents displayed over the past 9 months on my team.

And where do you coach? Come on, fill us in!

To the idiots defending BAS...Tennessee could care less about the performance of their women's track team. They just need to make sure they keep up their studies and don't do anything stupid. Tennessee only cares about the football program because that is where the bucks are. So she has 0 pressure, except to make sure that she recruits half decent talent and gets them to class. She is dillusional and self important. Probably because she is dumb as a rock. Anyway, I am sure they've told her to tone it down because no one cares. Feel bad for this girls having to deal with a whacko. Maybe she can get Karen Harvey to become an assistant. Holy crap, that would be amazing.

Coaches recruit for the school. Hence why often on student-athlete bios it states "Susie was also recruited by Oregon, Colorado, Stanford, etc." The coach represents the school. That is why athletes sign a letter of intent to the school, not to the coach.

She does however work for a school that had a moral obligation to those students. And she chose not to honor that obligation.

Non-sequitur.

This has no bearing on the moral status of BAS's actions.

Therefore, this objection is irrelevant.

This is, in a literal sense, true.

Merely stating anything doesn't necessarily mean it is the case, simply because one stated it.

In this case however, your statements were non sequiturs. They had no relevance to the moral status of BAS's actions. And therefore, they were irrelevant.

No.

BAS's opinion of the moral status of her actions has no bearing on the moral status of her actions.

Therefore, this objection if irrelevant.

Their "attitude", which is merely voicing their disapproval of BAS's actions, is a result of BAS's actions. That is to say, if BAS hadn't done what she did, there would be no "attitude" to take umbrage with in the first place.

Therefore, this objection is irrelevant.

SMiLE, your kids are in for a tough life. Good luck in this crusade. Something tells me that you will fall short of your desired goal. Someday you will likely re read your posts and realize how ridiculous they are but go ahead, knock yourself out. I am done trying to explain. Peace!

Agree wrote:

SMiLE, your kids are in for a tough life. Good luck in this crusade. Something tells me that you will fall short of your desired goal. Someday you will likely re read your posts and realize how ridiculous they are but go ahead, knock yourself out. I am done trying to explain. Peace!

Go away Beth. You're a sick woman.

ofsaa silver wrote:

To the idiots defending BAS...Tennessee could care less about the performance of their women's track team. They just need to make sure they keep up their studies and don't do anything stupid. Tennessee only cares about the football program because that is where the bucks are. So she has 0 pressure, except to make sure that she recruits half decent talent and gets them to class. She is dillusional and self important. Probably because she is dumb as a rock. Anyway, I am sure they've told her to tone it down because no one cares. Feel bad for this girls having to deal with a whacko. Maybe she can get Karen Harvey to become an assistant. Holy crap, that would be amazing.

I enjoy how you write the word "dillusional" and then go on to call someone else dumb as a rock.

Blaming your own poor actions and attitude on someone else shows just how poor of an example you have set for your kids. Obviously it rubbed off and that is unfortunate.

You keep going back to "moral obligation." That doesn't exist. A coaches obligation is to foster a team that represents the school well and ultimately wins. She felt the kids she cut were not a part of that and there is nothing wrong with that.

Agree wrote:

SMiLE, your kids are in for a tough life. Good luck in this crusade.

Pointing out the bad reasoning of others isn't a crusade.

Agree wrote:

Something tells me that you will fall short of your desired goal.

I've not stated any goal. I've merely pointed out that BAS's actions were wrong.

Agree wrote:

Someday you will likely re read your posts

This isn't likely at all.

Agree wrote:

and realize how ridiculous they are but go ahead, knock yourself out. I am done trying to explain. Peace!

Please point out what you disagree with and give your reasoning for disagreeing with it.

Dial it up wrote:

A coaches obligation is to foster a team that represents the school well and ultimately wins. She felt the kids she cut were not a part of that and there is nothing wrong with that.

The coach's move did not look good other smart athletes, their parents, and coaches will see that. UT program needs to be called out on this one because they obviously lack integrity down there.

Pointing out a fact isn't blaming. It is merely stating a fact.

The reasoning in your previous post was mistaken because you claimed:

And as I stated:

1) Your characterization of their expressing disapproval at BAS's actions as them having "attitude" is wrong. Bad behavior deserves to be criticized. And criticizing it isn't "displaying attitude."

2) There was no "attitude" when the athletes were dismissed, because this "attitude" was merely expressing disapproval at being dismissed. BAS can't use this as justification for their dismissal because this "attitude" didn't exist until after she did what she did.

I don't have any kids.

That isn't obvious at all.

It isn't unfortunate because I don't have any kids for something to rub off on.

To claim it doesn't exist, one must hold that using people merely as a means to an end is acceptable.

This is not the case. People should not be used merely as a means to an end, but always as an end in themselves.

A coach also has a moral obligation to treat their athletes with respect that supersedes this.

The truth of this hinges on it being true that using people merely as a means to an end is acceptable.

It isn't.

My personal experience with my own kid and her high-performance peers is the post is the reasonable facsimile of a well-grounded young adult.

I could be wrong. Totally wrong. But, the kids I know would do something like what was posted.

Something's going down wrote:

Dial it up wrote:

A coaches obligation is to foster a team that represents the school well and ultimately wins. She felt the kids she cut were not a part of that and there is nothing wrong with that.

The coach's move did not look good other smart athletes, their parents, and coaches will see that. UT program needs to be called out on this one because they obviously lack integrity down there.

Something tells me BAS will say "those girls were cut because I didn't recruit them and they didn't fit what we are trying to do" and it won't have any impact on whether kids go to Tennessee. But hey, maybe it will who knows. Just because she cut some kids doesn't mean they lack integrity at the university, that's a self-centered, sad way to view the world.

So basically, Beth is the female version of Randy Dalzell. Is that right?

rojo wrote:

She should have at a minimum let them compete this year. That's not wasting a year. To be honest, she she should have given them their full rides, let them train with the team and let them redshirt if they want or compete if they want. The AD SHOULD HAVE insisted this be the case or he should have hired BAS last January before recruiting.

It's pretty amazing that the day after we put this article up, we also have an article about a suicide. These are human beings - not points.

100% agree with rojo here. If you want to enact a new formula (don't spend a full ride on a hurdler and give a bunch of partials to distance runners), go for it, but at least give these girls the opportunity to train, let them know that at a minimum, you're going to dial back their scholly to < 100% or 0% and give them the option to transfer anywhere, including an SEC school.

That's the right thing to do and would build, not irreparably damage, the school's rep and ability to recruit. Who in their right mind would go to UT now? What coach/parent would send their athlete/child there? What rival coach wouldn't immediately throw UT under the bus when recruiting against them? This, to me, would be the basis for immediate dismissal for cause.

And I also agree with the linkage to the suicide article. Imagine if one of these young women took their life? Then UT would have a national poopstorm on their hands.

agree wrote:

It has NOTHING to do I what BAS did or didn't do. That is what you don't get. You may not agree with it but it was legal and happens in the working world as well as college athletics every day. Take a deep breath and do the right thing from here. Tell your daughter to train her butt off and show BAS what she is missing. That is the best thing you and she can do. Whining for a year on a message board does NOTHING to help her. It only teaches her how NOT to react in a proper way.

You're missing the distinction between what is legal and what is right. Just because it may happen in other areas of life doesn't mean that we should accept it. So because some employers treat their employees badly, means that we should expect that all of them will, and just accept that when it happens? Do we just bow to the person in the power position by shrugging and moving along? Or do we send a message that actions like these are wrong?

You amorality is astonishing. I hope you don't have children.

But it didn't, so u are blindly speculating now. you clearly don't understand suicide. Did you comprehend the article when u read it? They have bigger issues. Even so, The girl was running for Penn State and struggled with the training according to the roommate. Penn never cut her, they let her struggle through training. The exact opposite of what Beth did at UT where no one committed suicide.

Unfortunately the only message you are sending is that it's ok for you and your child to blame others for your shortcomings or when things don't go your way. You are trying to show that whining and defaming behind a computer screen is the way to handle situations when you don't get your way. One of the differences between those that score points in the NCAA and those that get cut from the team is mentality and attitude. If I'm BAS following this thread, I feel like I made the correct decision on who I want in my program.

Dial it up wrote:

This is as dead on as it gets. Most of the crap on here are people like "link" who think it's morally wrong to cut someone who you don't feel is good enough to be on your team. It's actually just high level athletics and it's likely you just haven't had any exposure. NOT A SINGLE RULE WAS BROKEN. The chicks actually got a year of free

School for nothing and they still have 4 years of eligibility elsewhere, if they are half as good as their parents think they are then they should be able to find a team easily.

#1: You are revising the facts to fit your opinion.

It wasn't a performance cut. The school made a deal. The school reneged on the deal in the worst possible way.

#2 Yeah, good job. No rules broken. Yet, the impact the story has had in the running community tells you it's not about "rules."