We are talking about college athletes here, not children - who might accept a "vitamins" explanation for suddenly feeling superhuman.
You assume that college students, especially those at a small Bible college, are worldly individuals. I can assure you that most are not. That doesn't even begin to scratch at the naivety of those with very insular upbringings, those conditioned to be trusting of authority figures, or those fearful of losing status or funding for questioning those in authority.
No, he didn't. He ran 5.38 in his first effort as a 14 year-old. He ran 4.08 some years later.
You are wrong again.
I lived less than 15 miles from Wichita East at the time and often trained with Timmons and the team.
Ryun ran a 5:38 time trial at the start of cross country season, then ended up 6th at the state cross country meet.
In the first track meet in spring he ran 4:32.4, only 2 tenths behind the defending state champion in the mile. Two weeks later he beat that defending state champion in 4:26. At the end of track season he ran 4:16 to win the state championship in the mile, and a few weeks later ran 4:08 in an open track meet against college competition.
Therefore, yes, Ryun went from 5:30 to 4:08 in the mile in just a few months.
He didn't. I have read he was 14 when he ran 5.38. it was his first effort over the distance. He wasn't 14 - or anything like it - when he ran 4.08. But, for the sake of argument, if he had been an untrained athlete of, say 16, when he ran 5.38 then it may have been possible to progress to 4.08 with serious training within the same year. But improvements of that kind are impossible for athletes who have already trained and competed for some years in the sport. We see that even with a prodigy like Ryun his improvement from age 18 to 20 was very small - a few seconds - and he never improved thereafter.
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I say go the other way. What can a girl who ran 4:26 in high school accomplish in the next year? And we fortunately have answers. 1:57.46. Entry into a prestigious Diamond league 1500m on Friday. And a huge contract coming soon….unless a “power player” in the sport like Rojo decides he is going to put his finger on the scale and call her agent….who was texting him….to tell her not to work with her anymore.
At this point Rojo has meddled over a public forum and claimed editorial power over all things Wiley/Huntington on this website. When Addy’s deal is announced…whatever it may be….know that it it likely could have been more. And Rojo will be held accountable. No one is above the law, not even benevolent dick-taters!
He didn't. I have read he was 14 when he ran 5.38. it was his first effort over the distance. He wasn't 14 - or anything like it - when he ran 4.08. But, for the sake of argument, if he had been an untrained athlete of, say 16, when he ran 5.38 then it may have been possible to progress to 4.08 with serious training within the same year. But improvements of that kind are impossible for athletes who have already trained and competed for some years in the sport. We see that even with a prodigy like Ryun his improvement from age 18 to 20 was very small - a few seconds - and he never improved thereafter.
Again you are totally wrong, just like in most of your other postings so this is nothing new for you.
Again, I was right there at the time, so I know exactly what happened. I trained with Timmons for several years during off season, and even traveled on trips with them. I knew the others on the team in those years, and race and trained with Ryun a few times including right up until he first ran 3:59 and then 3:39 in the trials.
Rojo - 11:00 am on the East Coast and your silence is deafening. Tell us how your meddling went today with the agent. Surely a super agent would take a call from you, right?
"In his first time-trial for a Mile he was 13th in 5:38—not good enough for even the B team. An 11:51 Two Miles finally gave him some encouragement. He dropped his time to 11:23 and then won a B competition. After this, Ryun was put in the A team and ran a 10:36. Coach Timmons was impressed and watched the young 15-year-old improve to become the school’s top cross-country".
After incredibly intensive training with Timmons, he he ran 4:08 at 16.
However the main point - which is crucial - is that when he ran 5.38 he had absolutely no background or training in the sport. He was never again to make anything like that kind of jump in performance. His progression as a runner is nothing like that of Wiley nor almost any other runner - and it is acknowledged he was a prodigy from his mid-teens - at 16. She wasn't.
Curious - Do you think after Knighton’s 19.49, that he too was doping? His time was an even bigger anomaly than Addy’s 4:26 1600…
So you think you should be able to compare a sprinter now with a md runner? Any top athlete maybe doping in a dirty sport but nothing in the progression of any one athlete shows that another athlete is clean - or doped.
"Normal" is what might be observed as occurs in well-trained and talented athletes without the benefit of doping. That which isn't normal far exceeds their efforts or their degree of improvement and is seen in an athlete who has already participated seriously in the sport and defies the usual explanation of "talent" (which previously hadn't shown itself) or "training' (which they had already been doing well before that jump in performance). These kinds of performance leaps are well understood by antidoping experts as a red flag. But it isn't by fans of American athletes.
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