2023 Toyota USATF Outdoor Championships Official Day 1 Discussion Thread (+ live video show at 12 midnight ET)

I’m gonna shake things up with my prediction

1. Nuguse - 3:32.81

2. Kessler - 3:33.13

3. Prakel in a blanket finish over Hocker, Holt and Centrowitz - 3:33.29, 3:33.31, 3:33.47 and 3:33.58

I’m gonna shake things up with my prediction
1. Nuguse - 3:32.81
2. Kessler - 3:33.13
3. Prakel in a blanket finish over Hocker, Holt and Centrowitz - 3:33.29, 3:33.31, 3:33.47 and 3:33.58

ahh right Centro 8 years ago, closed in 42.16 today

I didn’t say he went too early in fact I said he misjudged it and it was too late anyway. Yeah he ran 58, but his last 100 was 15.12 indicating he didn’t manage his energy ideally. We’re agreeing by the way, but in his current shape it seems like there were few strategies to beat the top 2. By going at 1600 at least he dropped Chelimo but poor execution and worse fitness than expected cost him too 3.

Problem is the 8? who qualify via xc. Rogers could run another 10k, still miss standard, but slightly improve her ranking and a few xc could not enter. That would also do it. Same for Kelatii (AND McGorty)...window closes 7/31.

#OldTakesExposed

He didn’t really push the pace, he just got out of trouble. Either way, even if he did start to push the pace, isn’t that the right move for him? He doesn’t have that elite top in 400 m closing speed, so it doesn’t make sense for him to go from 1k-1600 out?

+1

Getting more and more obvious.

Told you guys CC would be a big factor.

Shawnti needed 2.1 wind to go 11.05, Mia needed only 0.1. HUGE difference.

That much difference in wind readings is weird. I question the accuracy.

SCR has the absolute best coach. He knows everything. I bet they get along great 👍

Finally, Norman and his old-man soft-shoe…gtfo

do you even watch track and field?

you live in your own little world where the top africans close a slow 10k in 60, 60, and 58 and consider that impressive

So did Natasha Rogers get f’d over again like 2012?

I think the newfangled super-complicated system is dumb and counts as an "f'd over" just because we don't know as of the end of Trials whether she'll go or not, but in 2012 it was just the simple "A-standard or bust" rule. She didn't have the A so she didn't go. Our 10k team was wacky that year, the women who went were 1, 4, 7 at Trials, but at least was just because they had the A and others either didn't or decided not to run because they qualified in something else.

is this some sort of meme or troll that’s gone over my head?

Don't know why this is downvoted. Woody in 2023 isn't just the sit and kick beast in slow races like he used to be. It kind of just looks like Woody is fitter than Fisher right now. He's beaten Fisher in a slow race with a windup last mile today, and he's beaten Fisher in a fast race that went sub 13 in Florence. Add to that him breaking Fisher's indoor 5k record this year and that Fisher doesn't look as sharp as he did last year then I don't think it's unreasonable to say that right this second Kincaid is in better shape.

Woody's 2023:

3k - 7:40 easy win

5k - 12:51 win vs Klecker + AR

10k - 27:06 win vs Klecker

5k - 12:51 ahead of Fisher + Klecker

10k - 28:23 ahead of Fisher and Klecker

Kinda just seems whatever way you skin it so far Woody is ahead.

I think she'll get in. Schweizer would drop out ahead of her so she needs another two scratches from the list. McColgan could be one as she's been hurt since that Berlin HM.

Those XC places need a major re-think or athletes should learn to exploit the system a little better. The quality of competition in some of those XC races is extraordinarily poor and athletes need to take advantage of that next time out

Just catching up this morning.

- So glad Centro made it through. That video of him watching Heat 3 was awesome. Rooting for him to make the team even it is very unlikely.

- Was shocked by Cranny and McGorty. "Bowerman goes home devastated" takes seem a bit premature, Teare and Fisher still have the 5k so we will see

- Performance of the meet was obviously SCR. Favorite to win Worlds at this point.

- Mu looked great - hope she runs the final

- Sumner looked very smooth. Think he had an off race last time out and still has a great shot to sneak onto the team.

What the heck is going on with the USATF results for the women's 10000? Looking at Cranny, after an 84.8 opening 400, she struggled through a 24:06 second 400, then ripped off a bunch of sub-20 400s the rest of the way. I can't even imagine how the data would end up like this.

Not so long ago people here were trying to call Fisher some kind of all time great. 🙄

If the wind is in her favor, SCR will set the WR in the final. I'm calling it now. 10.46