Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

I recommend blocking AdultInTheRoom. Ever since their '5 days, tops' prediction failed they've been spamming the boards with their broken-brain pro-killing-civilians posts and asinine whataboutism. I've never seen someone so upset that a murderous aggressor is losing a war. Blocked them a few days ago and it's been much better here.

I want to know what happened to Carmine? Maybe he moved on to reddit or something.

It seems those who do not agree with you must support and enable killing of children.

Self-help here:

Probably one of those 40,000 Russian casualties.

At least that's the word around the Vodka cooler here at the troll farm.

Haha, well, at least we can both laugh at this.

Hmmm, where would I have ever come up with the idea that you are ok with the slaughter of Ukraine families because of the world's history of war?

I must of fabricated that when I disagreed with you.

Why do logic and facts offend you?

While unpopular, I simply speak in favour or truth and morality, and against prejudice and calls for more violence.

If you or others do no find that 'unattractive', I am OK with that. I am not looking for a soul mate for long walks on the beach.

As to taking sides, I have taken one.

It's not just one of the only two sides you see.

"Mankind needs peace more than ever, for our entire planet, threatened by
nuclear war, is in danger of total destruction. A destruction only man
can provoke, only man can prevent. Mankind must remember that peace is
not God’s gift to his creatures, it is our gift to each other." - Elie Wiesel

excellent read from a defense journo. Spells out the doom facing Russia even if it 'wins' the war and replaces the UKR government. Basically, Afghanistan x 50. The richest nations on earth will be stuffing weapons into a battle-hardened population ready to kill Russians. IEDs, MANPADS, anti-tank weapons and above all lots and lots of guns mean any collaborationist or russian official would have to live in a bunker to survive.

And all the while russia will be drained of treasure from the sanctions.

Only question is how does Russia get out of this. Intact or in shreds.

thedrive.com

Russia Has Already Lost

Tyler Rogoway

There is no clear path to a positive outcome for Russia in Ukraine. It could win every future battle, but it has already lost.

Link:www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44592/ru...

Here is another one tailored just for you Ernest:

“The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it’s indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it’s indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it’s indifference.” - Elie Wiesel

Yeah, their themes through all the Ukraine threads has always been parroting the Russian propaganda narrative and they continue to shift to follow that narrative when each previous one has been proven wrong.

First it was in the "goading thread" that Russia doesn't want to invade, it's all just US and EU hype and propaganda. Then in the "Sorry Putin Lovers" thread, it was Russia hasn't lost, everything is going to plan, Kiev will fall in days. Now that Russia is in clearly bogged down, not advancing and resorting to ham fisted bombardment of cities, they say that Russia isn't targeting civilian populations, when it is obvious they are.

Each step the Adult and Wiggins team argue the Russian line and each step they are proven wrong and have to shift the argument. The Conventional Wisdom as expressed in Western news sources keeps panning out to be correct, but Adult and Wiggins always go against it and they are always wrong.

The post is illogical. It can be summarised as "I can't be wrong because I don't make mistakes."

Many here are presenting civilian deaths caused by Russians as evidence of the righteousness of the Ukraine cause and those who support that. And there is solid, common basis for that belief.

But what this is not evidence of is Russian soldiers or the Russian people being Evil and worthy of hell fire. Because if it were so, we'd be roommates in Hades.

No side is blameless. No side has been reliably truthful.

To suggest otherwise speaks to delusion or agenda-driven prejudice.

This should be evident. But yet it isn't. Correcting fallacious statements and violent views underpinned by them is not equivalent to endorsing killing of children.

Such sarcasm and insult is no substitute for facts and reason.

Google works for me, too.

All I want to know from the pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine and anti-Nato crowd on here is this:

Do you or do you not agree with Putin that everything is going according to plan?

I knew it would be easy to find a quote from this person we both revere that would be contrary to your way of thinking. Yes, google is a useful tool.

None of you gave a damn about Ukraine 30 days ago. Stop pretending you care. You don't.

Classic case of false equivalency

You continually justify the killings of civilians at the hands of the Russians by pointing out other atrocities in history.

This one is happening right now. Something can still be done to stop it from happening right now. But, there are enough knuckleheads like yourself who are indifferent to the atrocities that are happening right now. Indifferent as defined by the person you quoted.

We should all be able to rise up against this. And, when and if it happens again, at the hands of the US, Russians, China, Japan, or anyone else we should all rise up against it again.

But, of course there will always be a worthless someone like yourself who does not care.

What do you "prove" with this sort of messenger assassination?

Face it, you're children, completely uneducated and unable to argue using facts and reason. I only drop in occasionally to check what the TV's got you on today. You have no primary, factual sources.

I guess it's worth mentioning again that if the Russians were intent on targeting civilians, then Ukraine's major cities would have been carpet-bombed into oblivion by now.

It's not character assassination by pointing out that all your past arguments on this topic have been wrong.