........PSAC.......

Haven has a top 8 shot but only if they don't implode like they did last year. I will be shocked if the PSAC has more than three all-americans.

I'm rooting for them but will be shocked

Haven will not get top 8. Look at the past 7 years. They have qualified with great teams every year that have potential to do some work to get top 8 but every year they collapse at nationals fall apart and at nationals. I expect nothing different this year. I hope Edinboro and Shippensburg do something to make a difference and get a top 8 spot.

You'll be surprised if the PSAC ahas more than 3 all-americans? Are you dumb? Dinzeo is a contender to win, burleigh looks good. On a given day any of the top 8 from regionals could be. Link was 8th in the region this year, 44th in the country last year. He is going to show up. And yeah Haven won't run well as a team but they still have top 40 guys. And on the girls side-hones destroyed the field at Slippery Rock and Lehman still ran well. Both locks for all-american and the rest of he Edinboro crew is so damn unpredictable you never know you will pop in the top 40 Saturday. Have they had the same #2 girl at all this season? Their second girl from Slippery Rock wasn't their second girl at Mansfield. Don't be ignorant. MAYBE if it isn't a good day for the whole conference (sounds real likely-NOT) there will be only 3 all americans. Have a little confidence.

lets not count them out wrote:

why don't you post the pr's those augie guys had the outdoor and indoor previous to when they ran those times... haven has a shot

I've got no doubt that the Lock Haven guys are more fit than their current track PRs, and will show that this spring; but the same thing can be said for the Augustana guys. I don't understand why I would want to use older PRs.

Nationals Overview:

Quite simply, I dont' see how Lock Haven can be better than 7th. Mines, Adams, GVSU, Chico, and Augie are all at least 1 step above LHU. I think UAA is also a cut above the LHU men. That puts the LHU ceiling at 7th, they need to beat 2 of the Western, Malone, Southern Indiana, Missouri Southern, Poly-Pomona, and Sioux Falls group. I'm being optimistic and predicting the Haven men in 8th, but they aren't a top 8 lock. It's easy to envision USI going 3-12-85-95-110 and sneaking out a top 8 finish. Western could also do something like 12-38-70-80-90 and finish top 8. The Haven men are in the same place the best PSAC team is in every year, a great day gets you 7th and anything below average sees you fall out of the top 10.

Individually, Dinzeo is clearly one of the favorites, he's a double top 5 finisher last outdoor season, he's in better form than Guy and he beat the Adams contingent at Paul Short. I think it comes down to Dinzeo and Biwott, and Dinzeo will be stronger the last 2k. The last men's XC champion from the PSAC was Yi Min Wu of Edinboro in 1998, Dinzeo will win this year and break that streak.

As a last note, I think 4 men from the PSAC will go AA. The two obvious candidates are Dinzeo and Burleigh. then 1 of Mains and Mountain, plus a surprise (Link?). A national champion, a top 8 finish, and 4 all American runners would be an incredible day for the PSAC. I'm being optimistic with these predictions.

Seeing how Mountain ran last year at nats I can't put my faith in him to go AA. Burleigh has a shot if he doesn't go after Dinzeo, who toyed around much of the regional race I think people are looking too closely into the close finish although understandable.

Link ran terrible at Slippery Rock and, without really looking into it too deeply, feel as if he isn't in as good of form as last year but I am probably wrong here.

As far as saying only 3 I should've clarified that I was talking only about the men. I would not say that Lehman is a lock for AA although she definitely could get it.

I think you're logic of 8 men AA because link was 8th this year is severly flawed as Edinboro imploded as they went out way too hard and paid for it in the end. If Mains and Mountain have a shot how close can McGinley get?

really cool drone footage from PSAC if anyone is interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM099-gWwOI&feature=youtu.be

Men

1. Adams

2. Gvsu

3. Chico

4. Mines

5. Malone

6. Augustana

7. Haven (if don't follow typical haven trend)

8. Western

9. Southern Indiana

10. Alaska

11. Cal Poly

12. Ship

13. Ashland

14. Edinboro

Women

1. Gvsu

2. Adams

3. Hillsdale

4. Duluth

5. Simon Fraser

6. Edinboro

7. Chico

8. Augustana

9. Roberts Wesleyan

10. Western

I want to get a women's prediction up before the race starts. I've believed all year that this was down year for the PSAC on the women's side. Edinboro has gotten better as the season progressed, and is clearly the only hope the PSAC has for any quality nationals performance.

The course conditions in Louisville have caused the NCAA to shorten the course, but the rain/mud/footing make this race very difficult to predict. I think we get 2 AA women, most likely Jones and Lehman, and the Edinboro women will fall short of top 8 and pick up a 9th place finish. I don't feel the PSAC is very strong this year and expect a relatively weak nationals performance on the women's side.

Typical Haven.

Congrats to Bernie Empie and Bloom for their 14th place finish (very close to top 10) and 3 All Americans.

Can someone help me out? Is there a difference between an Academic All-American honor and an All-Academic honor? I've been searching online and can't find anything about Academic All-American honors.

I'm pretty sure to have an All-Academic honor, you need to have a 3.25 cumulative GPA and finish in the top-30 PERCENT of the regional meet.

I've heard that to have an Academic All-American honor, you need to have a 3.25 cumulative GPA and finish in the top-30 FINISHERS of the regional meet.

Is that really the case? If so, it seems unnecessary to have both because they're so similar.

There is no Academic All-American. That is a cosida award.

The coach'association give All Academic. That requires a 3.25 and top 30 percent finish at Regionals. For the Atlantic region it would be top 84 women and top 76 men

Link may have ran poorly at Regionals. (or he was doing the smart thing and waiting for nats?) But no matter what he did he absolutely SHOWED up. 15th ain't no joke. Boro girls kinda really effed up but hey, stuff happens, Still a good season. Ready to watch out for Bloom next fall though. They really did something special. Too bad they have no 5th runner thats even decent.

Well now that cross country is in the books, what are dinzeo's chances of getting a win indoor (or Burleigh repeating)? Does anyone have a shot at upsetting him in the 3k/5k in the conference? How many guys will be heading to Alabama?

What does everybody think about Clarion adding a head XC coach and any insider thoughts on their search as they split the program?

on to the next one wrote:

Well now that cross country is in the books, what are dinzeo's chances of getting a win indoor (or Burleigh repeating)? Does anyone have a shot at upsetting him in the 3k/5k in the conference? How many guys will be heading to Alabama?

The odds of Burleigh repeating are very unlikely, but Dinzeo has the best shot by far of winning. Can we get a DMR to nationals this year?

Well the season is underway so far, not too many impressive times thus far. Mountain seems to be in pretty good shape, still no Burleigh or Dinzeo yet. I guess we will see if they open up this weekend.

Still no results from the runner up at cross Nats any word on injury for dinzeo? Burleigh with an unimpressive opener at pennstate considering his PRs but dark horse Kieran sutton of ship with two solid opening times, could he give mountain a run for his money at the conference meet? Also can the PSAC send any DMRs to nationals this year?

lets not forget mountain just ran 25 seconds faster than sutton in the 5k, it's safe to say he's on another level from sutton. i think burleigh just had a bad race, opening up with a 3k taking you out on pace for a 10 second pr isn't exactly the ideal rust buster, if Dinzeo is hurt (which I don't think he is) I think we will see some exciting races at psacs between him and mountain. I have a feeling Dinzeo is waiting to come back, mostly because i haven't seen any results from any of his teammates, i could be wrong but in the past it's seemed that he's run early 5k's and then a late 3k before psacs and right into nationals and outdoor, maybe he's trying to avoid injury by avoiding tight turns? who knows, all i know is that i hope we see him running under 28:30 in the 10k in a couple short months.