My dude, really? Inflation? A war? Covid-19? Nothing, I repeat nothing gets in the way of upper-class white privileged America making money. If you think the greatest ponzi-scheme ever created that is "the stock market" is removed from that, you are sadly mistaken. It's just a matter of time before the people that really move the market have bought everything back for 60 cents in the dollar and we will be rolling again.
My dude, really? Inflation? A war? Covid-19? Nothing, I repeat nothing gets in the way of upper-class white privileged America making money. If you think the greatest ponzi-scheme ever created that is "the stock market" is removed from that, you are sadly mistaken. It's just a matter of time before the people that really move the market have bought everything back for 60 cents in the dollar and we will be rolling again.
Of course it will go up in the long run, but all time highs again within 5 months?? It took the market 6 years to recover after 2008. It's obviously different this time but come on.
Would like to see a 15,000 Nasdaq by year end. That would make my holiday season pretty cool. Santa would be very generous.
What makes you think we'll see all time highs again this year? Inflation is out of control. There's so much bad news.
The all-time high NASDAQ is 16,057. I am not saying we will get that high but I think the market will have a really good rest of the year. Our bet is year-end 10,000 versus year-end 15,000 and today we are just about exactly mid-way between both, 12,482. The market is so often about momentum.
My dude, really? Inflation? A war? Covid-19? Nothing, I repeat nothing gets in the way of upper-class white privileged America making money. If you think the greatest ponzi-scheme ever created that is "the stock market" is removed from that, you are sadly mistaken. It's just a matter of time before the people that really move the market have bought everything back for 60 cents in the dollar and we will be rolling again.
Of course it will go up in the long run, but all time highs again within 5 months?? It took the market 6 years to recover after 2008. It's obviously different this time but come on.
It did indeed take the market years to recover after 2008, but how long did it take the market to recover after it tanked during Covid? 5 months?
Of course it will go up in the long run, but all time highs again within 5 months?? It took the market 6 years to recover after 2008. It's obviously different this time but come on.
It did indeed take the market years to recover after 2008, but how long did it take the market to recover after it tanked during Covid? 5 months?
It did indeed take the market years to recover after 2008, but how long did it take the market to recover after it tanked during Covid? 5 months?
Took over 25 years to recover from the 1929 crash
"In fact, according to a Hulbert Financial Digest study of down markets since 1900, the average recovery time is just over two years, when factors like inflation and dividends are taken into account."
Historical stock charts seem to show that it took more than 25 years for the market to recover from the 1929 crash—a dismal statistic that has been brought to investors’ attention many times in the current downturn. But a careful analysis of the record shows that the picture is more complex and, ultimately, far less daunting: An investor who invested a lump sum in the average stock at the market’s 1929 high would have been back to a break-even by late 1936—less than four-and-a-half years after the mid-1932 market low. Correct picture? A file photo of the New York Stock Exchange. Determining the length of a recovery is tough, given the many definitions of a bear market. But whatever the definition, typical recovery time is quite quick. Gino Domenico / Bloomberg The numbers show that from a peak, on a closing basis, of 381.17 on 3 September 1929, the Dow needed until 23 November 1954, to return to its old high. But that’s in “nominal" terms, without adjusting for the effects of inflation or its opposite, deflation. The Great Depression was a deflationary period. And because the Consumer Price Index in late 1936 was more than 18% lower than it was in the fall of 1929, stating market returns without accounting for deflation exaggerates the decline. These payouts played a big role in the 1930s. When the Dow hit a low of 41.22 on 8 July 1932, for example, the dividend yield of the overall stock market was close to 14%, according to data compiled by Robert J. Shiller, the Yale economics professor. So ignoring dividends, especially when yields were so rich, also exaggerates the losses of a typical equity investor. Many researchers consider the overall market—defined as the combined value of all publicly traded stocks—as the best gauge of a typical investor’s experience. The Dow is made up of just 30 stocks, which are weighted in the index according to their price rather than their relative market capitalization. Perhaps the most celebrated illustration of the Dow’s failure to represent the overall market traces back to a 1939 decision to delete International Business Machines Corp. (IBM) from the Dow 30 list. IBM wasn’t restored to the index until 1979. Norman Fosback, editor of Fosback’s Fund Forecaster newsletter, has estimated that the Dow would have been more than twice as high in 1979 had IBM stayed in the index continuously. It’s unclear when the Dow would have returned to its 1929 pre-crash high had IBM not been deleted in 1939. In response to a request, an analyst at the indexes division of Dow Jones said that it was unable to determine the answer. But because IBM’s stock was one of the best performers during the 1940s, greatly outpacing the Dow itself, it’s certain that its inclusion would have markedly accelerated the index’s recovery. So when did the overall stock market really make it back to its pre-crash peak? Just four years and five months after its mid-1932 low, according to data provided to Sunday Business by Ibbotson Associates Inc., a division of Morningstar Inc. That seems remarkably fast, given that the stock market lost more than 80% of its value from its 1929 high to its mid-1932 low. But the quick recovery of the 1930s is consistent with the typical experience after other bear markets in the US. Determining the precise length of such recoveries is a problem, given the many definitions of a bear market. Whatever definition is used, however, the typical recovery time is quite quick. In fact, according to a Hulbert Financial Digest study of down markets since 1900, the average recovery time is just over two years, when factors like inflation and dividends are taken into account. The longest was the recovery from the December 1974 low; it took more than eight years for the market to return to its previous peak, which was reached in late 1972. None of this, of course, guarantees that stocks will have a quick recovery from the market decline that began in October 2007. But it suggests that the historical record isn’t as bleak as it looks.
Interactive chart of the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) stock market index for the last 100 years. Historical data is inflation-adjusted using the headline CPI and each data point represents the month-end closing value....
"In fact, according to a Hulbert Financial Digest study of down markets since 1900, the average recovery time is just over two years, when factors like inflation and dividends are taken into account."
Historical stock charts seem to show that it took more than 25 years for the market to recover from the 1929 crash—a dismal statistic that has been brought to investors’ attention many times in the current downturn. But a careful analysis of the record shows that the picture is more complex and, ultimately, far less daunting: An investor who invested a lump sum in the average stock at the market’s 1929 high would have been back to a break-even by late 1936—less than four-and-a-half years after the mid-1932 market low. Correct picture? A file photo of the New York Stock Exchange. Determining the length of a recovery is tough, given the many definitions of a bear market. But whatever the definition, typical recovery time is quite quick. Gino Domenico / Bloomberg The numbers show that from a peak, on a closing basis, of 381.17 on 3 September 1929, the Dow needed until 23 November 1954, to return to its old high. But that’s in “nominal" terms, without adjusting for the effects of inflation or its opposite, deflation. The Great Depression was a deflationary period. And because the Consumer Price Index in late 1936 was more than 18% lower than it was in the fall of 1929, stating market returns without accounting for deflation exaggerates the decline. These payouts played a big role in the 1930s. When the Dow hit a low of 41.22 on 8 July 1932, for example, the dividend yield of the overall stock market was close to 14%, according to data compiled by Robert J. Shiller, the Yale economics professor. So ignoring dividends, especially when yields were so rich, also exaggerates the losses of a typical equity investor. Many researchers consider the overall market—defined as the combined value of all publicly traded stocks—as the best gauge of a typical investor’s experience. The Dow is made up of just 30 stocks, which are weighted in the index according to their price rather than their relative market capitalization. Perhaps the most celebrated illustration of the Dow’s failure to represent the overall market traces back to a 1939 decision to delete International Business Machines Corp. (IBM) from the Dow 30 list. IBM wasn’t restored to the index until 1979. Norman Fosback, editor of Fosback’s Fund Forecaster newsletter, has estimated that the Dow would have been more than twice as high in 1979 had IBM stayed in the index continuously. It’s unclear when the Dow would have returned to its 1929 pre-crash high had IBM not been deleted in 1939. In response to a request, an analyst at the indexes division of Dow Jones said that it was unable to determine the answer. But because IBM’s stock was one of the best performers during the 1940s, greatly outpacing the Dow itself, it’s certain that its inclusion would have markedly accelerated the index’s recovery. So when did the overall stock market really make it back to its pre-crash peak? Just four years and five months after its mid-1932 low, according to data provided to Sunday Business by Ibbotson Associates Inc., a division of Morningstar Inc. That seems remarkably fast, given that the stock market lost more than 80% of its value from its 1929 high to its mid-1932 low. But the quick recovery of the 1930s is consistent with the typical experience after other bear markets in the US. Determining the precise length of such recoveries is a problem, given the many definitions of a bear market. Whatever definition is used, however, the typical recovery time is quite quick. In fact, according to a Hulbert Financial Digest study of down markets since 1900, the average recovery time is just over two years, when factors like inflation and dividends are taken into account. The longest was the recovery from the December 1974 low; it took more than eight years for the market to return to its previous peak, which was reached in late 1972. None of this, of course, guarantees that stocks will have a quick recovery from the market decline that began in October 2007. But it suggests that the historical record isn’t as bleak as it looks.
Musk has affected the market so many times this year with his pronouncements and actions
interesting question if Musk will lose some of the cult worship around him as he makes one bad decision after the next.
Obviously he made seriously awful decisions on Twitter, BTC and Dogecoin...will the bros lose their infinite faith in him and just betting alongside whatever whim he has that day? If so, that will cost him a lot of PE points in Tesla. Many bros just own the stock figuring Elon will figure it out somehow. Solid base of shareholder support that could erode.
And he has chosen to be a Republican who is in a feud with Trump. In other words, he's alienated just about everyone in the country with his politics. preserving just the conservative green never-trumpers. Not a lot of people.
Musk has affected the market so many times this year with his pronouncements and actions
interesting question if Musk will lose some of the cult worship around him as he makes one bad decision after the next.
Obviously he made seriously awful decisions on Twitter, BTC and Dogecoin...will the bros lose their infinite faith in him and just betting alongside whatever whim he has that day? If so, that will cost him a lot of PE points in Tesla. Many bros just own the stock figuring Elon will figure it out somehow. Solid base of shareholder support that could erode.
And he has chosen to be a Republican who is in a feud with Trump. In other words, he's alienated just about everyone in the country with his politics. preserving just the conservative green never-trumpers. Not a lot of people.
My point was that this one guy has such influence on the market.
Musk has affected the market so many times this year with his pronouncements and actions
interesting question if Musk will lose some of the cult worship around him as he makes one bad decision after the next.
Obviously he made seriously awful decisions on Twitter, BTC and Dogecoin...will the bros lose their infinite faith in him and just betting alongside whatever whim he has that day? If so, that will cost him a lot of PE points in Tesla. Many bros just own the stock figuring Elon will figure it out somehow. Solid base of shareholder support that could erode.
And he has chosen to be a Republican who is in a feud with Trump. In other words, he's alienated just about everyone in the country with his politics. preserving just the conservative green never-trumpers. Not a lot of people.
Nope his cult follows him blindly. He buys BTC and they all worship him. He sells BTC and they still worship him because it was a good decision, even though everyone is a huge bagholder now.
interesting question if Musk will lose some of the cult worship around him as he makes one bad decision after the next.
Obviously he made seriously awful decisions on Twitter, BTC and Dogecoin...will the bros lose their infinite faith in him and just betting alongside whatever whim he has that day? If so, that will cost him a lot of PE points in Tesla. Many bros just own the stock figuring Elon will figure it out somehow. Solid base of shareholder support that could erode.
And he has chosen to be a Republican who is in a feud with Trump. In other words, he's alienated just about everyone in the country with his politics. preserving just the conservative green never-trumpers. Not a lot of people.
Nope his cult follows him blindly. He buys BTC and they all worship him. He sells BTC and they still worship him because it was a good decision, even though everyone is a huge bagholder now.
Musk was always a carnival barker, now just less appealing to liberals.
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