Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

sociopath spotter wrote:

WTF^n wrote:

Nobody really deserves anything - even being alive is completely by accident, certainly not a result of any "goodness" on the part of the living individual.

I think that teachings such as "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "Wish for others that which you would wish for yourself (or for your own child if one has that perspective)" are good and applicable.

Sociopaths always say stuff like that. It allows them take advantage of other people.

So, you're saying that Jesus was a sociopath?

You are correct wrote:

WTF^n wrote:

Nobody really deserves anything - even being alive is completely by accident, certainly not a result of any "goodness" on the part of the living individual.

I think that teachings such as "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "Wish for others that which you would wish for yourself (or for your own child if one has that perspective)" are good and applicable.

I wholly agree, and I’m certain this philosophy is taught at Loyola HS, along with honesty and integrity. Yet as kegboy (Loyola alumni) stated previously: ‘everyone new his times were fake’. However, no one there spoke out about it. I wish for truth, honesty, and integrity when I sign up and compete in a race, and wish that the competition is fair.

I agree with you 100%.

brooklyn123 wrote:

doubler wrote:

FWIW

I (almost) never alert media of any stories. There was a time when I gave Runner’s World a heads up when there was something particularly interesting.

Canadian Running follows my site closely. They’ve regurgitated my articles many times. I think with Frank, this was the first time they actually added anything.

The LA Times article was the trigger...once it got syndicated. Once the DQ was issued other outlets felt comfortable reporting on it on their own. The calls I had all started with them seeing the Times article. I think a poster alerted them, and I know others had as well.

Noted. Keep up the great work!

.... and when/IF you speak next with Amby Burfoot -- a true running legend -- send him our/my appreciation for stepping up and out at the beginning.

Happy 4th of July!

Also, please ask Amby how that terrifying lawsuit filed by Coach Diaz is coming along. I'm sure he's worried sick about that one.

Yes, you found the posting for the AltaMed CMO position that Frank holds. I'm 100% sure about it.

At least one of the clinics knows about what's going on with this and their impression of him has changed.

Call any of their clinics and ask them who Frank is and they'll tell you that he's their current CMO.

WTF^n wrote:

So, you're saying that Jesus was a sociopath?

That would be an ecumenical matter but I have always had my doubts about the holy ghost, I'm sure he was an old white guy with a sheet over his body running around at night scaring people so that the abandoned sawmill would be his.

Litigious Lalo wrote:

brooklyn123 wrote:

Noted. Keep up the great work!

.... and when/IF you speak next with Amby Burfoot -- a true running legend -- send him our/my appreciation for stepping up and out at the beginning.

Happy 4th of July!

Also, please ask Amby how that terrifying lawsuit filed by Coach Diaz is coming along. I'm sure he's worried sick about that one.

Also , please ask RW to publicly retract 2014 Masters Runner of the Year award for FM and chose and celebrate a proper runner.

potkos wrote:

Yes, you found the posting for the AltaMed CMO position that Frank holds. I'm 100% sure about it.

At least one of the clinics knows about what's going on with this and their impression of him has changed.

Call any of their clinics and ask them who Frank is and they'll tell you that he's their current CMO.

Interesting, then, that the posting is dated May 21. This thread was into its 43rd page at that point, and the sleuths had established probable cheating at the 2019 Pasadena Half Marathon. Blood was definitely in the water.

Not saying that there is a cause and effect here, but one wonders what things were happening “behind the scenes” at that point. Maybe retirement was becoming (or is becoming) a more attractive option?

Dufus wrote:

Litigious Lalo wrote:

Also, please ask Amby how that terrifying lawsuit filed by Coach Diaz is coming along. I'm sure he's worried sick about that one.

Also , please ask RW to publicly retract 2014 Masters Runner of the Year award for FM and chose and celebrate a proper runner.

The morons at Runner's World have to first acknowledge that this story exists. Haven't frequented that site in a while but did go there this AM though to check. The magazine and site are full of regenerated running and diet advice which is barely useful with click-bait articles intended only to get you to buy from Amazon...they really don't care about the sport.

Or maybe they're part of Frank's story of lies? How and why did they make Frank the Runner of the Year long AFTER he was DQ'd by the California International Marathon? Talk about blunder. I'm sure they don't want to bring attention to that. Maybe someone else should?

post for "kegboy".. wrote:

Defend your alumni school all you want, but their staff went all in defending his behavior. Some threatened lawsuits, not very nice..

Some of the coaching staff is getting pretty long toothed. It might be time for sweeping changes. I wouldn't want to be their AD.

And someone at Loyola (head coach Lalo Diaz? Principal? President?) allowed Meza to address the team after the first few Marathon Investigation articles emerged.

At that meeting, Meza allegedly proclaimed his innocence to the team. I coached kids for many years. I have kids who play sports. Kids respect their coaches and look up to them as mentors. For Loyola to allow Meza to manipulate and lie to the kids long after it was clear that Meza is a fraud was a major failure of the school to live up to its most important responsibility of protecting kids.

Loyola’s refusal to comment on the story based on the claim that Meza “retired” from Loyola in June is also deplorable. Loyola employed the man and allowed him to mentor their student-athletes for more 30 years. The school publicly and privately touted Meza’s “accomplishments” to advance their brand. Head coach Lalo Diaz was aware of the story min April. Rather than face the facts and take action to hold Meza accountable, Diaz allegedly reacted in anger at the journalists. He then allowed Meza to continue to coach until the “medical retirement” in June.

Loyola is widely regarded as one of the top secondary schools in California. It’s a shame that they’ve come us so short on all fronts in how they’ve handled this story.

People keep asking "why." That answer is simple: attention seeking. It's just like so many people post their runs/pics/results on social media (I'm guilty too), it was to say "Look at me; look at what I did!"

But as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

Same Same wrote:

Sort of like ExpertKidWatcher not knowing the definition of sock puppet.

A sockpuppet 2017 is someone who posts under another handle to agree with their previous posts or support the same position as their previous handle does usually to give a false impression that they represent a wider opinion than their sad selves do.

However there was a famous thread where an RD who wanted prize winners to hand back some of their winnings when the RD was arguing against himself as a sockpuppet to try and convince people he was a victim of identity fraud.

Welp! That clears it up?????

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

WTF^n wrote:

So, you're saying that Jesus was a sociopath?

That would be an ecumenical matter but I have always had my doubts about the holy ghost, I'm sure he was an old white guy with a sheet over his body running around at night scaring people so that the abandoned sawmill would be his.

Nice! Made me laugh.

WTF^n wrote:

Nice! Made me laugh.

First time I have got a Father Ted and a Scooby Doo reference in the same post.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

WTF^n wrote:

Nice! Made me laugh.

First time I have got a Father Ted and a Scooby Doo reference in the same post.

You have added so much to this thread.

contrarian wrote:

Obviously the facts are 100% behind Derek but Zavala comes across much more professionally.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Zavala comes across as a guy who won't say anything bad about his buddy. Derek had to endure a Skype interview for that footage, so not exactly the highest quality footage. The fact that Derek got interviewed for that piece in the first place speaks to the respect he's earned in the running culture.

He's still no Kip. Dude straight up fabricated a marathon.

Just proves once again, Dentists > Doctors

KennyCarter wrote:

He's still no Kip. Dude straight up fabricated a marathon.

Thanks for reminding me about that. I was starting to think that Frank now takes the title of biggest fraud. Fabricating a marathon, though, is ballsy. So, to reassess, in my mind, Kip is the biggest fraud, the wedding DJ in ill fitting suits is undoubtedly the biggest douchebag. Frank is just the most prolific and perhaps the most meticulous. The guy is obviously very dedicated to the art of cheating.

It does make you wonder who else might be out there, though.

"Those guilty of slander will be held accountable..."

"Those guilty of slander will be held accountable..."

This isn't something a lawyer would say. Even a bad lawyer understands slander refers to verbal speech, not written words.

Moreover, the crux of determining civil liability with slander or libel is that the contentious comments must be UNTRUE.

So Troll-hating Dominguez is one.