agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Okay. I definitely don't agree with that. I think all family members of legal immigrants should be allowed entry. One thing I would like to say - remember how the media talked about Trump's travel ban and how it was a Muslim travel ban. That was a lie - because Indonesia has more Muslims than any other country and they were not on that list. Trump banned those from countries where terrorism was rampant. He did not ban entry simply from Muslim countries.
I hear you on the legal immigration.
On the muslim ban...I think it's pretty clear given his own statement saying he wanted a muslim ban, that he meant it as a muslim ban. Nothing in his actions would lead me to believe he had anything but aggression toward muslims in his heart when he banned them. Nothing he has done or said would counteract his own statemetn that he wanted no muslims entering the country.
As for indonesia, since there are no anti-american indonesian terrorists he didn't ban them.
You don't realize it but you just confirmed that it was not a Muslim ban. It was a ban against terrorist Muslims. Here is what you said ... "As for Indonesia, since there are no anti-american indonesian terrorists, he didn't ban them." Exactly, he only banned those Muslims from Muslim TERRORIST countries.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Lately this thread has devolved into arguing about the wall and what constitutes infanticide, and a few other off-topic things. The Trumpers are of course wrong on all topics. However, the main issue remains that we have a serial lying, criminal, nincompoop in the White House.
Just be clear...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole, that is not a very mature view that you just presented, basically saying people who believe in what you believe in are right in every instance and others who have alternate views are wrong in every instance. Like you are the high and almighty and can determine what is right and what is wrong. There is often a gray area.
I limited those who are wrong to Trumpers and then to topics discussed here. Trumpers (you are one) as a group are not doing too well about being right about anything. When you Trumpers get something right, I'll let you know. When you bring up a topic that has a gray area, I will let you know.
More on Trump and LEGAL immigration.
Immigration Application Denial Rates Jump 37% Under Trump
https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-application-denials-jump-37-percent-under-trump
Refugee admissions
http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/refugee-cap.png
Threats to Temporary Protected Status.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/03/08/immigrants-temporary-protected-status-in-us/
Approval rate of H-1B sharply down.
https://www.recode.net/2019/2/28/18241522/trump-h1b-tech-work-jobs-overseas
Work permits for H-1B spouses being eliminated.
Flagpole wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
That was gibberish agip. I know nothing. Yeah, right.
Well...you have proven time and time again not to know much. agip and Fat Hurts are right about you.
Flagpole, that made me chuckle. My level of education far surpasses yours. I was much faster than you and I am still much faster than you. I would wager 20K on a race with you. And I am 58.
Sally Vix wrote:
Trump is certainly not a great guy. He is instead an incredibly narcissistic blowhard who treats women like dirt. However, his policies have been good for the country.
You get no credit for stating that he is not a great guy. You are a Trumper, and Trumpers today are either just stupid or racist. You pick.
You've said this several times. What policies (PLURAL) of his do you believe are good for the country? We know you like the stupid wall idea which of course is bad idea that most Americans do not want. What else?
We can do it July 4, 20K.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Well...you have proven time and time again not to know much. agip and Fat Hurts are right about you.
Flagpole, that made me chuckle. My level of education far surpasses yours. I was much faster than you and I am still much faster than you. I would wager 20K on a race with you. And I am 58.
Betting is low class.
It's on. Name the place and distance.
Flagpole wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Trump is certainly not a great guy. He is instead an incredibly narcissistic blowhard who treats women like dirt. However, his policies have been good for the country.
You get no credit for stating that he is not a great guy. You are a Trumper, and Trumpers today are either just stupid or racist. You pick.
You've said this several times. What policies (PLURAL) of his do you believe are good for the country? We know you like the stupid wall idea which of course is bad idea that most Americans do not want. What else?
Flagpole, I want to race you. You game?
Sally Vix wrote:
We can do it July 4, 20K.
Those who back down from challenges are weak or cowards.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
You get no credit for stating that he is not a great guy. You are a Trumper, and Trumpers today are either just stupid or racist. You pick.
You've said this several times. What policies (PLURAL) of his do you believe are good for the country? We know you like the stupid wall idea which of course is bad idea that most Americans do not want. What else?
Flagpole, I want to race you. You game?
I would also pay for your airfare. July 4 - would be like WWF.
Flogpole wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole, that made me chuckle. My level of education far surpasses yours. I was much faster than you and I am still much faster than you. I would wager 20K on a race with you. And I am 58.
Betting is low class.
It's on. Name the place and distance.
July 4 - Houston - 5k - and I will pay for your airfare and hotel or you can stay at my place.
Sally Vix wrote:
Agip - just to be clear, I want specific examples of conservatives trying to cut back on LEGAL immigration. I have never heard of this happening. So, if you can provide specific examples I will contact my Congresslady (Shelia Jackson Lee - Lord help me) and will demand that this is stopped.
Okay, I accept that this was news to you. It has been somewhat widely reported, but this is an administration that generates a lot of news and it's easy for stuff to get buried when the next news cycle comes.
But yes, there are indeed "conservatives [and not just Stephen Miller] trying to cut back on LEGAL immigration." After all, the country is full, as our president has said.
And let's not be disingenuous: Most immigrants who enter legally are, nevertheless, some shade of brown (and many of them persist in not speaking English very well). Well, Trump's base, for the most part, are not happy about that. And credit where it's due: The President knows *exactly* how to get his base revved. They think the country has quite enough brown people already, thank you, and he panders to that.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-is-pushing-for-a-merit-based-1501681787-htmlstory.htmlSally Vix wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole, I want to race you. You game?
I would also pay for your airfare. July 4 - would be like WWF.
IT'S ON!!!!
Sally Vix vs. Flagpole
Will their duels become legend?
Separation wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
We conservatives cherish the Constitution.
Except when it comes to religious freedom, allowing immigration, allowing asylum, treating all people as equals, separation of powers, emoluments, self-dealing, breaking the law, etc., etc., etc. .... when it suits your "CONservative" biases.
Freedom of the press too. Those following Trump which unfortunately is the Republican Party, can no longer call themselves constitutionalists. Trump threatens the constitution almost on a daily basis. He is a dictator wannabe, and if he were younger, we would really be in trouble...time enough for him to enact more of what he really wants. Dictators don't allow any freedoms, especially not Trumpers' precious Second Amendment.
Sally Vix wrote:
We can do it July 4, 20K.
I doubt Flagpole can come up with 20K.
Flagpole's Accountant wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
We can do it July 4, 20K.
I doubt Flagpole can come up with 20K.
This made me chuckle.
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole's Accountant wrote:
I doubt Flagpole can come up with 20K.
This made me chuckle.
my bet is that flagpole won't do it.
Michael Bower wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
I would also pay for your airfare. July 4 - would be like WWF.
IT'S ON!!!!
Sally Vix vs. Flagpole
Will their duels become legend?
Here is the race I want.
https://runsignup.com/Race/TX/Houston/RunWild5K2015?aflt_token=Vc3ofzNY66sosRBD4ivt1igq8mMuV2THSally Vix wrote:
Michael Bower wrote:
IT'S ON!!!!
Sally Vix vs. Flagpole
Will their duels become legend?
Here is the race I want.
https://runsignup.com/Race/TX/Houston/RunWild5K2015?aflt_token=Vc3ofzNY66sosRBD4ivt1igq8mMuV2TH
Flagpole?
What say you?
