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Most posts lately are helping me get to sleep for am 10k in La Palma...come run it, maybe FM will show up...5k too, if you like to “go fast”. “Gun time” only...no need for a bib belt...remember to start at the front if you might threaten an AG W R. Spend the last couple miles passing the slower 5kers (there is an official 5k walk) and top male and female finishers get $100.00. (other than the 5k walk, I think) Join us afterward for the “pancake breakfast”. Lots of local political folk at the awards presentation. I will miss former representative Young Kim. Real nice and pretty, just picked the wrong political party last year as the OC went all blue in ‘18...(thanks Dicky...oops, wrong “not-a-crook”, I meant Donny) .........so who/what is Jamin? Either way, thanks for the compliment!!

6 years ago 07/04/2019 4:14am EDT

re: Scott Dominguez

Scott Dominguez wrote:
Score one for the internet trolls, you all have done an amazing job! First visit in some time, no way in hell am I reading the past 100 pages, I have better things to do. I've heard about and seen some of the evidence you all have uncovered. Just thought I would take a minute to drop in and say that I was 100% wrong and regret my email to the LA Times defending coach Meza. I have been unsuccessful in reaching coach, so that is a conversation yet to happen.
We all make mistakes and no matter what faults have led to his cheating, they don't negate the positive influence he had on my brother and I or the many other contributions he has made to society. I hope he finds the courage to admit his faults and wrongdoings and he can eventually be viewed in a positive light again.
Maybe when this has all blown over I will return to seek advice on improving my own marathon time, legitimately.
Sincerely,
Scott Dominguez

The old "we all make mistakes" tripe. FM didn't "make a mistake." To the contrary. He was very deliberate in a long running course (no pun intended) of dishonesty.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 5:26am EDT

re: ExpertKipWatcher

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
I am on the side of those who appreciate you being big enough to admit that you were wrong.

well he ain't going to admit he was right is he

6 years ago 07/04/2019 5:39am EDT

re: Roderick Powell

re: the bike photo

Has anyone tracked down whether the bike photo was before or after he dropped?

If it was after, he could just say:

"I happened to have a bike in the car and went for a ride as a cooldown"

"When I dropped, I said 'I really need to get to the finish to meet my son' and this nice volunteer let me borrow his bike to ride to the finish"

The ship has sailed on believable excuses for any of his cheating, but he could try to explain away the bike pic.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 6:11am EDT

re: mellow velo

mellow velo wrote:
re: the bike photo
Has anyone tracked down whether the bike photo was before or after he dropped?
If it was after, he could just say:
"I happened to have a bike in the car and went for a ride as a cooldown"
"When I dropped, I said 'I really need to get to the finish to meet my son' and this nice volunteer let me borrow his bike to ride to the finish"
The ship has sailed on believable excuses for any of his cheating, but he could try to explain away the bike pic.

It was well before he dropped. The bike photo was from 2014. His DNF was 2015.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 6:14am EDT

re: kegboy

kegboy wrote:
You are correct wrote:
I wholly agree, and I’m certain this philosophy is taught at Loyola HS, along with honesty and integrity. Yet as kegboy (Loyola alumni) stated previously: ‘everyone new his times were fake’. However, no one there spoke out about it. I wish for truth, honesty, and integrity when I sign up and compete in a race, and wish that the competition is fair.
I said everyone knows his times are fake, now that this thread and derek has provided mountains of evidence. In hindsight, never seeing FM run fast at our practices could/should have made some of us suspicious, but we really didn't think much of it. Loyola at its core produces students of honesty and integrity. It is a great community. One assistant coach who didn't even work at the school is tainting its reputation. Loyola isn't perfect, but the school, its students, and its runners are not reflected accurately here by anonymous posters' accusations and suspicions.

High school students are, for the most part, clueless about life. Coaches, school boards, and school administrators are adults in a position of authority with a vested interest in maintaining their school's reputation. As a result, they are held to a far higher standard of behavior.

Coaches, what say you? Should coaches have known that Meza was lying about his times? After his 2014 CIM DQ, wouldn't you have asked around find out what was the deal with Frank Meza? Other posters have said that it was well known by local runners and other high school coaches. At my high school, the track coach was an assistant football coach so he wouldn't have a clue, but I'd think a school like Loyola would be different.

If school board members, coaches, teachers, or administrators knew and did nothing, they need to be held accountable. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

6 years ago 07/04/2019 6:18am EDT

re: doubler

doubler wrote:
mellow velo wrote:
re: the bike photo
Has anyone tracked down whether the bike photo was before or after he dropped?
If it was after, he could just say:
"I happened to have a bike in the car and went for a ride as a cooldown"
"When I dropped, I said 'I really need to get to the finish to meet my son' and this nice volunteer let me borrow his bike to ride to the finish"
The ship has sailed on believable excuses for any of his cheating, but he could try to explain away the bike pic.
It was well before he dropped. The bike photo was from 2014. His DNF was 2015.

Got it. Thanks. I thought I'd read that the bike photo was from the DNF year.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 6:34am EDT

re: Avocado's Number

Avocado's Number wrote:
Pike's Peak Mule wrote:
I think it is likely he ran Pike's Peak in 1988 without cheating. Wasn't that also about when he ran 1500m on the track? Obviously, cheating is not possible in that situation. As far as 2009-2013 Pike's Peak, it might be possible that he ran those legitimately, but does anyone really think so? It just seems terribly out of character. "I'll cheat at all these races except for Pike's Peak?" At that point, he was well onto his way on a new path, where cheating was the norm, and not cheating was, well, apparently unthinkable.
He ran the 1500 (4:39:82) in 1981. Not bad for a thirty-something American. Maybe he had some better track times in his thirties; that just happens to be the only one I found.
I'm still somewhat inclined to believe that his later races on Pikes Peak are legitimate. Among other things, I looked at the 2013 downhill segment that you flagged as suspicious. The times for that short segment seem all over the map, and Frank's doesn't seem way off to me. It's true that Chris Reveley's time for that segment was slower, but falls, injuries, dealing with traffic in the other direction, increasing exhaustion, and a variety of other exigencies (one year, Reveley stopped to assist a guy who had a heart attack during the race) may account for that. Reveley's descent on the Peak that day was generally quite slow relative to his ascent.
Although it's certainly possible that not cheating in any race had become unthinkable to Frank by 2009 to 2013, I haven't yet seen the case for that. I do recall that he has competed in a number of long trail races; I don't recall any extensive investigation into or analysis of his performances in those races. I can certainly see why he might be much more concerned about running fast times in standard marathons or shorter races in which his times will be scrutinized more carefully. Perhaps long trail races give him a respite from obsessing about race times to demonstrate his worth.
Despite a lot of remarks on this thread about how slow he is, or how old he looks, or how out of shape he appears, or how silly his comments about just running for fun may seem, my overall impression is that, as a distance runner, he has probably been in the top one percent or so of the U.S. population in his age group for a long time. I also believe that he genuinely loves running and has done quite a lot of it over the years. I think that's true of a number of cheats. But for some reason (I hate the glib comments that it's all about "ego," as if that significantly illuminates the etiology of this rather bizarre pathology), he has not been content with that. Maybe he'll be able to understand and get past that, and learn to appreciate what he legitimately already has. And maybe not.
None of what I've said should be taken to suggest that I believe that he is an especially honest person, or that he has run any legitimate marathon performances on the roads in recent years, or that he deserves to be treated better than any other cheat. In fact, I think that this investigation should press on; I think there's much more to be brought to light and much more action that should be taken regarding his past performances.
And by the way, I still want to find out more about the purported track scholarship that paid his way through U.C. Berkeley, or Cal State Northridge, or wherever else he claims to have received a bachelor's degree. I'm skeptical about some of those claims, which suggest to me that he may have been embellishing some facts well before this string of road marathons began.

tldr

6 years ago 07/04/2019 6:36am EDT

re: Signifique

Signifique wrote:
It’s good of you to come back and follow up. I’m not sure you know the definition of ‘troll’ though...

Sort of like ExpertKidWatcher not knowing the definition of sock puppet.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 6:42am EDT

re: Just sayin'.

Just sayin'. wrote:
Signifique wrote:
It’s good of you to come back and follow up. I’m not sure you know the definition of ‘troll’ though...
Yeah, when I read Scott's post (if he really is Scott) I picked up on that too.
"Score one for the internet trolls" he wrote which should read:
"Score one for LetsRun internet sleuths and truth seekers who have put in a humungous amount of time and energy to maintain the integrity of the sport and the common decency of it's participants."
"Score one for the internet trolls" reminds me of the sarcastic dismissive put down type attitude of Scott's old Loyola High School Head Coach Lalo Diaz had towards Amby Burfoot and Derek Murphy.
The World Wide Web is a big place made up of all sorts of people when it comes to crowd sourcing.
If you're a wrong doer who just denies, denies, denies, you're going to get caught out.
Time to come clean Frank.

Not many here are for “the integrity of the sport.” It’s more of a mob mentality to bring people down.

If they were here for the integrity of the sport, they would devote as much time and attention to doping and cheating at the elite level of the sport - the part where everyone pays attention to. Not some 70 yo age grouper.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 6:49am EDT

re: Reason to Believe

Last real mystery is why the slobros hid in the bushes on this thread. Why hold it back from the front page?

6 years ago 07/04/2019 6:56am EDT

re: Chad are you ok?

Chad are you ok? wrote:
Last real mystery is why the slobros hid in the bushes on this thread. Why hold it back from the front page?

Been there done that.

Like the last poster said - we should keep the focus on keeping the front of the pack clean. Who cares about the plodders.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 6:58am EDT

re: Same Same

Same Same wrote:
Sort of like ExpertKidWatcher not knowing the definition of sock puppet.

A sockpuppet 2017 is someone who posts under another handle to agree with their previous posts or support the same position as their previous handle does usually to give a false impression that they represent a wider opinion than their sad selves do.

However there was a famous thread where an RD who wanted prize winners to hand back some of their winnings when the RD was arguing against himself as a sockpuppet to try and convince people he was a victim of identity fraud.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 7:04am EDT

re: Reason to Believe

Reason to Believe wrote:
Not many here are for “the integrity of the sport.” It’s more of a mob mentality to bring people down.
If they were here for the integrity of the sport, they would devote as much time and attention to doping and cheating at the elite level of the sport - the part where everyone pays attention to. Not some 70 yo age grouper.

You didn't really think this through, did you?

The so called 'mob' actually have access to results splits, photos, strava data etc etc of 'some xx age grouper', and can use their collective resources to find out discrepancies, whereas they have absolutely no access to blood samples and profiles, urine samples, blood passports etc etc.

There actually already exist bodies that police this...WADA and all the country subsidiaries, and thousands of researchers coming up with more and more analytical testing methods to keep on top of it.

You can bet your last dollar that if athletes' blood analyses were publicly available, this thread would be 50, 000 posts not 5,000.

Also, 'some 70yo age grouper' claimed the WRs of one of the icons of our sport, the late Ed Whitlock, who wasn't 'some 70yo'

I am curious why you trolls keep on defending a cheat.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 7:08am EDT

re: I Am Sam

I Am Sam wrote:
I am curious why you trolls keep on defending a cheat.

Trolling or Astroturfing, not sure yet, potentially both. Those IPs would be interesting to see Rojo/Wejo.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 7:50am EDT

re: Frank Meza Report

Frank Meza Report wrote:
In SoCal that’s probably closer to a million a year. Another article stated he oversaw 144 medical personnel. So Frank’s cheating helped him on the cocktail and golf circuit of the corporate medical world. He was like the high school starting QB and known as the run guru. His times get faster - he rises in his field. CHA-CHING $$$
potkos wrote:
It's too bad that Inside Edition and LATimes are parroting incorrect information that Dr. Meza is retired.
He's the chief medical officer at AltaMed. He's probably got a salary of more than half a million dollars. He's pretty much the face of a company that's worth almost a billion dollars. Call any of their clinics and ask who their Chief Medical Officer and they'll confirm what I'm saying here.
Since he's lied about have entered in Chicago Marathon, anyone able to confirm whether he's entered in for this year's Long Beach? I guess the website doesn't have any web page to do a query.
https://motivsports1.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026788992-How-do-I-know-if-I-am-registered
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Hmm. Would this be the AltaMed chief medical officer job you're discussing?

http://latinophysiciansofca.org/job/altamed-health-89-principal/

However, are you sure about the Chief Medical Officer job? On Meza's Kaiser Permanante profile, he states, "I am also chairman of the AltaMed Board of Directors, a community-based medical group serving low-income patients in Southern California."

If that were true once, it no longer appears accurate:

https://www.altamed.org/board-directors-and-trustees

6 years ago 07/04/2019 7:59am EDT

re: Chad are you ok?

Chad are you ok? wrote:
Last real mystery is why the slobros hid in the bushes on this thread. Why hold it back from the front page?

The LetsRun posters alone initially championed Frank, questioned him , brought Frank's cheating to the forefront, exposed his cheating and currently continues unabated. It's the BroJo's LetsRun platform that allowed it (who knows why they're not posting on the front page but maybe in due time they will tell why) so now I'm less concerned/bothered with why it's not on the front page. In addition, it was probably a poster that pushed for Canadian Running and the LA Times ( Derek definitely pushed them/alerted them, of course ). So, as they say, the rest is history. GMA, Inside Edition, etc, etc. Nevertheless, it continues. Power to the poster. (deadesq, Murphy, and of course, Amby Burfoot).

Frank's other races will get exposed to the "world" and hopefully the races will do the appropriate thing and DQ. It would be great for Rojo to step back into the fray here again as he did last week with some more muscle. Frank's either going to retire in the sunset or push back with nonsense.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 8:15am EDT

What the What? wrote:
500k? Really? At least the guy's pretty frugal. That bike pictured earlier is a POS 10-speed from the 1970s. And you think he could afford more than two running outfits. A blue shirt and an Azland singlet.

My theory about the bike in the 2014 San Francisco Marathon is that he picked it up used in San Francisco. For instance, if he's trying to keep his shenanigans secret from his wife, he probably wouldn't want to be seen loading his best tri-bike onto his car's bike rack, etc. Better to pick up a disposable bike.

BTW, nice work Derek in your expanded analysis of the bike picture!

https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2019/07/frank-on-a-bike-evidence-cant-be-dismissed.html

6 years ago 07/04/2019 8:31am EDT

re: brooklyn123

FWIW

I (almost) never alert media of any stories. There was a time when I gave Runner’s World a heads up when there was something particularly interesting.

Canadian Running follows my site closely. They’ve regurgitated my articles many times. I think with Frank, this was the first time they actually added anything.

The LA Times article was the trigger...once it got syndicated. Once the DQ was issued other outlets felt comfortable reporting on it on their own. The calls I had all started with them seeing the Times article. I think a poster alerted them, and I know others had as well.

6 years ago 07/04/2019 8:42am EDT

re: doubler

doubler wrote:
FWIW
I (almost) never alert media of any stories. There was a time when I gave Runner’s World a heads up when there was something particularly interesting.
Canadian Running follows my site closely. They’ve regurgitated my articles many times. I think with Frank, this was the first time they actually added anything.
The LA Times article was the trigger...once it got syndicated. Once the DQ was issued other outlets felt comfortable reporting on it on their own. The calls I had all started with them seeing the Times article. I think a poster alerted them, and I know others had as well.

Noted. Keep up the great work!

.... and when/IF you speak next with Amby Burfoot -- a true running legend -- send him our/my appreciation for stepping up and out at the beginning.

Happy 4th of July!

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