Official US-Israel-Iran War Thread

SB wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You undercut the merit of anything you say by your obvious hatred of Israel. It is clearly obsessive and distorts your every perception of these issues.

To be fair, it's hard to hate Israel disproportionately, particularly since 2023.

And the "terrorism" thing is a wash. As a tactic over the years, it is far from exclusive to the resistance. When one sees how Israel responds to mere protest (see e.g. the Great March of Return) is it any wonder that the only people left openly resisting Israeli apartheid and genocide are those willing to kill and die for the cause? And since the worst months of the second Intifada, the resistance has mostly refrained from the use of classic terror tactics, such are suicide bombing. As for Oct 7, it was conceived as a military assault with the aim of taking hostages to trade for Palestinian hostages (alive and dead) in Israeli jails. It ultimately included some acts of clear criminality, although the type and scale of this criminality has almost certainly been exaggerated by Israel for propaganda purposes.

In the end, the nature of the oppression always determines the nature of the resistance. Just put yourself in the place of any Palestinian for one second. You can't purport to understand how Israelis felt after Oct 7, then fail to understand how Palestinians of all ages have been feeling every hour of every day for decades.

This is NOT a situation in which a "normal" state is confronting a "terrorist" threat. It's one in which a malign state actor is preventing the legitimate creation of a state it would prefer not exist. One benefit of this is that it gets to call its own aggressive actions "self-defense" and the actions of its military opponent "terrorism". No one should be buying this characterization. What we're actually seeing is massively asymmetric warfare, with the US and Europe accounting for the majority of the asymmetry.

Armstronglivs wrote:

SB wrote:

To be fair, it's hard to hate Israel disproportionately, particularly since 2023.

And the "terrorism" thing is a wash. As a tactic over the years, it is far from exclusive to the resistance. When one sees how Israel responds to mere protest (see e.g. the Great March of Return) is it any wonder that the only people left openly resisting Israeli apartheid and genocide are those willing to kill and die for the cause? And since the worst months of the second Intifada, the resistance has mostly refrained from the use of classic terror tactics, such are suicide bombing. As for Oct 7, it was conceived as a military assault with the aim of taking hostages to trade for Palestinian hostages (alive and dead) in Israeli jails. It ultimately included some acts of clear criminality, although the type and scale of this criminality has almost certainly been exaggerated by Israel for propaganda purposes.

In the end, the nature of the oppression always determines the nature of the resistance. Just put yourself in the place of any Palestinian for one second. You can't purport to understand how Israelis felt after Oct 7, then fail to understand how Palestinians of all ages have been feeling every hour of every day for decades.

This is NOT a situation in which a "normal" state is confronting a "terrorist" threat. It's one in which a malign state actor is preventing the legitimate creation of a state it would prefer not exist. One benefit of this is that it gets to call its own aggressive actions "self-defense" and the actions of its military opponent "terrorism". No one should be buying this characterization. What we're actually seeing is massively asymmetric warfare, with the US and Europe accounting for the majority of the asymmetry.

That isn't an accurate depiction of history. It is a biased interpretation that simply expresses your animosity towards Israel. Your argument that the Palestinian and Arab reaction to Israel is justified by what Israel has done could also apply in reverse. Israel's actions are also a response to those who would wish to destroy it. There are no 'good guys' in this conflict.

SB wrote:

Explain to me exactly how it applies "in reverse"?

Palestinian Arabs have subjected to a continual process of colonial massacres, rape, terror, and displacement dating to at least the 1930s. And this after having lived peaceably alongside Arab Jews for a couple of centuries.

Not very long ago, the notion that Israel was a necessarily violent colonial project was relatively uncontroversial. You only need to spend a little time reviewing the language of Israel's founders to understand this. Start with Ben Gurion.

And Israel's violent colonialism was uncontroversial at the time because it was piggybacked on British colonialism, then protected by American neo-colonialism during the Cold War.

All of the egregious Israeli lies about Palestinians having provoked their own displacement are relatively recent concoctions, born out of necessity to sell their project to an American and European public grown critical of 20C colonialism. Only the willfully ignorant are, in 2026, still repeating its propaganda.

I said both sides have used classic terror tactics, but this is where the similarities end. One side is a modern, armed-to-the-teeth, regional power, and the other is a lightly equipped urban guerilla insurgency fighting simply to remain in place. And where it is not armed at all (i.e. the WB) it is having its land openly stolen as we speak.

Explain to me how the threat posed to Israeli Jews by Palestinians justifies what has been and what continues to be done to them as a people.

Allig Alca wrote:

SB wrote:

Explain to me exactly how it applies "in reverse"?

Palestinian Arabs have subjected to a continual process of colonial massacres, rape, terror, and displacement dating to at least the 1930s. And this after having lived peaceably alongside Arab Jews for a couple of centuries.

Not very long ago, the notion that Israel was a necessarily violent colonial project was relatively uncontroversial. You only need to spend a little time reviewing the language of Israel's founders to understand this. Start with Ben Gurion.

And Israel's violent colonialism was uncontroversial at the time because it was piggybacked on British colonialism, then protected by American neo-colonialism during the Cold War.

All of the egregious Israeli lies about Palestinians having provoked their own displacement are relatively recent concoctions, born out of necessity to sell their project to an American and European public grown critical of 20C colonialism. Only the willfully ignorant are, in 2026, still repeating its propaganda.

I said both sides have used classic terror tactics, but this is where the similarities end. One side is a modern, armed-to-the-teeth, regional power, and the other is a lightly equipped urban guerilla insurgency fighting simply to remain in place. And where it is not armed at all (i.e. the WB) it is having its land openly stolen as we speak.

Explain to me how the threat posed to Israeli Jews by Palestinians justifies what has been and what continues to be done to them as a people.

What do you expect would happen? Start a war by launching a terrorist attack and expect to pay the consequences