Dropping out early on a 6-day is good preparation for dropping out early in a 72-day...
Dropping out early on a 6-day is good preparation for dropping out early in a 72-day...
Dave's daily miles:
And here is a comparison with recent Trans Cons:
Tron wrote:
Markus wrote:
I think that all of Al's 48 and 72 hour performance were splits. In the 90ies there was only one 48 hour race in France and 72 hours was non existing. 6 day performances you have to measure against and that is won by Al easily with 226 km more than Dave's performance.
not really as Dave's 6 day total was done in 4 days....he dropped out due to an infected blister, and since it was only 6 months before this attempt he didn't want to risk further injury that would harm his prep for crossing Canada. Yes you can say this is his inexperience, etc ....but still can't compare Al and Dave's 6 day ability from that
Well, blister management is one of the more important skills for a multiday runner.
Sure, but Kostelnick & everyone else spaced these miles over about 16 hours, either running slower, taking more breaks, walking, etc. Dave never did this, but even the Kouros walked a few miles of his unbreakable 1000-mile record. There’s no precedent for 12-hour days.
Tron wrote:
Well, I'd agree with you that his first day was too far and fast although I don't think that was the downfall of this attempt. He dealt with some shin tendinitis after that (cut a couple days short around Revelstoke to get treatment and then got to Golden approx. 1 day behind his original schedule....so he did adjust and sort himself out that first week.
I ran and talked to him for part of his Golden to lake Louise day and he was starting to feel pretty good at that point as he felt his body was adjusting to the daily running. A few days later in Calgary he again said his body was feeling good and from that point to close to Manitoba he was going at a decent pace and doing the roughly 110km a day. If you look at his Strava on July 17...I believe that's when his back starting bothering him. At that point, unless he took a week or so off, I had a feeling that was the end.
So yeah, it didn't end well but he still did over 3 weeks in a row and got over the half way point in Canada. Obviously not his goal but still impressive distance in that time. I hope he heals and learns what he can from this attempt. I doubt he would do another attempt at crossing Canada but I guess never know.
The first day with 87 miles in 11:36 running time (excluding the ferry rides) set the tone. His shin splint was just because of that fast high mileage day. Typical rookie mistake: Banking miles. It never works.
At the end he did 2085 miles in 31 days. 49.4 miles per day, hardly an impressive performance. It would be a great performance for normal runner but Dave was challenging Al Howie's record. So he has to be measured against that.
I have the feeling that Al Howie's record is good for another decade.
Looking at that graph is like looking at a train crash in slow motion lolz
jesseriley wrote:
Sure, but Kostelnick & everyone else spaced these miles over about 16 hours, either running slower, taking more breaks, walking, etc. Dave never did this, but even the Kouros walked a few miles of his unbreakable 1000-mile record. There’s no precedent for 12-hour days.
Pete had mostly daily runs around 13:30 +/- 1 hour. Only day 2+3 where over 15 hours.
I believe his daily lunch break were not included in these hours.
jesseriley wrote:
Sure, but Kostelnick & everyone else spaced these miles over about 16 hours, either running slower, taking more breaks, walking, etc. Dave never did this, but even the Kouros walked a few miles of his unbreakable 1000-mile record. There’s no precedent for 12-hour days.
man, how many times do i have to tell you. He took breaks during his day!! He stopped his GPS during his breaks. He never ran 12 straight hours without any sort of break
Markus wrote:
Tron wrote:
not really as Dave's 6 day total was done in 4 days....he dropped out due to an infected blister, and since it was only 6 months before this attempt he didn't want to risk further injury that would harm his prep for crossing Canada. Yes you can say this is his inexperience, etc ....but still can't compare Al and Dave's 6 day ability from that
Well, blister management is one of the more important skills for a multiday runner.
of course it is. That across the years race is on a fine silt ground and he wasn't prepared for that and that was his fault but as posted on social media, he had 1 whole blister during this cross Canada run...so he can learn from mistakes
Anderson’s numbers are highly suspect if you see her resume on DUV.
Markus wrote:
Tron wrote:
Well, I'd agree with you that his first day was too far and fast although I don't think that was the downfall of this attempt. He dealt with some shin tendinitis after that (cut a couple days short around Revelstoke to get treatment and then got to Golden approx. 1 day behind his original schedule....so he did adjust and sort himself out that first week.
I ran and talked to him for part of his Golden to lake Louise day and he was starting to feel pretty good at that point as he felt his body was adjusting to the daily running. A few days later in Calgary he again said his body was feeling good and from that point to close to Manitoba he was going at a decent pace and doing the roughly 110km a day. If you look at his Strava on July 17...I believe that's when his back starting bothering him. At that point, unless he took a week or so off, I had a feeling that was the end.
So yeah, it didn't end well but he still did over 3 weeks in a row and got over the half way point in Canada. Obviously not his goal but still impressive distance in that time. I hope he heals and learns what he can from this attempt. I doubt he would do another attempt at crossing Canada but I guess never know.
The first day with 87 miles in 11:36 running time (excluding the ferry rides) set the tone. His shin splint was just because of that fast high mileage day. Typical rookie mistake: Banking miles. It never works.
At the end he did 2085 miles in 31 days. 49.4 miles per day, hardly an impressive performance. It would be a great performance for normal runner but Dave was challenging Al Howie's record. So he has to be measured against that.
I have the feeling that Al Howie's record is good for another decade.
Yes, the first day may have caused the shin splints ..but look at that graph, it shows he then did a short day near revelstoke to recover and then looked good for 2 weeks.
Hardly impressive average if you count the 10 days he basically did nothing. As I stated above, back issues arose July 17th (day 22). yeah, he trudged along for a few days after that while doing treatment and obviously had to drop out. And you're right, he was going up against Al and came up well short
I know Jesseriley has nothing to offer except for false claims, but aside from the first day to which I think he made an adjustment for, what could he have done differently? The pace wasn't too quick (6:00-6:30/km) through prairies while averaging 100km and i know he felt comfortable doing this. His back may have been prone to blow up regardless of anything he was doing for all we know
I have nothing to offer but the truth, from my full name to my first-person account of a trans-Canada record to my unique experiences as a multiday runner, crew, organizer, & record-keeper. I’ve known a rank amateur, zero ultrarunning experience, who finished a transcon. Dave bears no resemblance to a serious, honest athlete, nor does anyone associated with this non-event. If you changed everything, you could only improve.
jesseriley wrote:
I have nothing to offer but the truth, from my full name to my first-person account of a trans-Canada record to my unique experiences as a multiday runner, crew, organizer, & record-keeper. I’ve known a rank amateur, zero ultrarunning experience, who finished a transcon. Dave bears no resemblance to a serious, honest athlete, nor does anyone associated with this non-event. If you changed everything, you could only improve.
"Dave bears no resemblance to a serious, honest athlete, nor does anyone associated with this non-event."
Although I know you're basically just trolling at this point (you'd have to be otherwise you're seriously demented), you've yet to come forward with one piece of concrete evidence to prove he is not honest. Sure you can say he failed and wasn't ready if you want but cut out the false cheating accusations
You’re in the “bargaining” stage of grief. Last stage is acceptance (of reality).
Tron, are you Dave?
Well done as usual Markus- nailed it!
Albymangles wrote:
Tron, are you Dave?
Well done as usual Markus- nailed it!
haha...no I'm not Dave but would consider him a friend so obviously defending him against Jesse's false claims
Tron wrote:
haha...no I'm not Dave but would consider him a friend so obviously defending him against Jesse's false claims
So far I don't understand Jesse's claims.
While we can have different opinions on Dave Proctors approach on this record attempt, I don't see any evidence that he cheated. Maybe the data experts here can have a look at this. Not that this matters much anymore since this run is over. Kind of sad because a lot of effort went into this run and a Trans Con is not something you can repeat easily like a 5K.
Markus wrote:
Tron wrote:
haha...no I'm not Dave but would consider him a friend so obviously defending him against Jesse's false claims
So far I don't understand Jesse's claims.
While we can have different opinions on Dave Proctors approach on this record attempt, I don't see any evidence that he cheated. Maybe the data experts here can have a look at this. Not that this matters much anymore since this run is over. Kind of sad because a lot of effort went into this run and a Trans Con is not something you can repeat easily like a 5K.
I think Dave Proctor's run is legit, I don't see any issues with the data after I initially (wrongly) thought it was recording him at high speeds. But that just turned out to be one of his watches recording zig zags.
I also thought Jesse was just making a royal troll attempt on us all. But it turns out that Jesse is actually for real...... Good God.
I have no bias towards Al or Dave. I just know that Jesse is making false claims and believes himself to be ultra running knowledge god despite not knowing how GPS or tracking technology works.
It’s clear Dave ran too much too fast early on, but after that low day he recovered well and ran well for a couple weeks before his back gave out.
It’s actually really similar to Pete’s record. So what’s the problem with it? He couldn’t do it. That’s fine. But what should he have done differently other than cut back the speed the first day or two.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
It’s actually really similar to Pete’s record. So what’s the problem with it? He couldn’t do it. That’s fine. But what should he have done differently other than cut back the speed the first day or two.
There is nothing similar to Pete's record run. Just look at the graph:
https://imgur.com/a/ps01MF4#fy3mBi2Pete ran consistently between 70-80 miles per day, except on that one rest day. Dave's numbers are all over the place. They are more consistent between day 8 and 21 but obviously that mileage was too much for his back.
Dave could have started a lot more conservative and could have run his miles at a slower speed. At the end his goal was way to ambitious for his abilities.